My friend wants his Archer build improved...
Sekhmet
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[MENTION=6682154]Nezkrul[/MENTION] You use Full Attack (granting Rapid Shot and Haste), and use Many Shot as your hasted action. I apologize, in my previous example I was using a recent homebrew I played.
You'll pick up 9 attacks total (18 total arrows) so long as your DM doesn't argue that attacks and standard actions aren't interchangeable terms.
At the least, you'll still net 6 attacks (12 arrows) with Full Attack + Rapid + Haste, and that means you still get lots of Power Shot damage.
[MENTION=85123]kingius[/MENTION] Why would you use Greater Manyshot (4 arrows at +12 BAB) when you can Full Attack (5 arrows at 18, 18, 13, 8, 3)? That seems like a waste of a feat.
It could be argued that Manyshot (being a standard action) can be used after moving, while Full Attack cannot; but how often are you running around when surrounded by 300 orcs?
You'll pick up 9 attacks total (18 total arrows) so long as your DM doesn't argue that attacks and standard actions aren't interchangeable terms.
At the least, you'll still net 6 attacks (12 arrows) with Full Attack + Rapid + Haste, and that means you still get lots of Power Shot damage.
[MENTION=85123]kingius[/MENTION] Why would you use Greater Manyshot (4 arrows at +12 BAB) when you can Full Attack (5 arrows at 18, 18, 13, 8, 3)? That seems like a waste of a feat.
It could be argued that Manyshot (being a standard action) can be used after moving, while Full Attack cannot; but how often are you running around when surrounded by 300 orcs?
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Jackinthegreen
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Manyshot as the hasted action? Only in 3.0. In 3.5 it's different.
Dandu
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Sean K. Reynolds, formerly of WotC and now of Paizo, estimates one feat to be worth 25K.
Arrow Demon
Abilities: Str 21, Dex 19, Con 29, Int 14, Wis 16, Cha 12
Close Combat Shot (Ex): An arrow demon does not incur attacks of opportunity for firing a bow while threatened. In addition, the arrow demon can shoot its bows to make attacks of opportunity as if it threatened the squares adjacent to it with its bows.
Oversized Weapons (Ex): Arrow demons can use bows of any kind that are up to one size larger than their size would allow without penalty.
Symmetrical Archery (Ex): The arrow demon has an amazing ability to wield two bows at once in unison. Any time the arrow demon could make a single attack with a bow, it can attack with both of its bows, at -2 on all its attack rolls that round. For example, when making an attack action, an arrow demon can fire one arrow from each bow at its normal attack bonus minus 2, and when making a full-attack action, it can fire one arrow from each bow for each of its normal iterative attacks (two arrows from each bow, each shaft at a -2 penalty). The statistics block above already includes these bonuses. The arrow demon takes no additional penalties for using multiple weapons as long as it is using only bows.
We have a bow that can survive being sundered by an Orc with a Greataxe. I think the spike will be ok.
Great! Then that should make the task easier!
Holy moving goalposts, Batman!
To the OP:
A rereading of Bone Bow leaves me wondering if it actually auto-adjusts to your strength modifier. It is possible that it does not, in which case you should look into the Bow of the Wintermoon, a Relic from the MIC, which can be found on Pg. 48. It costs 3400 gp and starts of with a +1 enhancement bonus. (You don't necessarily have to care about the actual relic bonuses). It does have an alignment restriction though (CG/NG/CN).
You can attempt to reverse-engineer the Wintermoon Bow in order to figure out the costs for the Str-adjusting property. Let's ignore the relic bonuses, to keep things simple (since they require further expenditure of resources to activate anyway).
1) 3 400 * 10/7 = 4 857 (Take out the alignment restriction discount)
2) 4 857 - 2000 = 2 857 (Take out the +1 enhancement bonus)
3) 2 857 - 400 = 2 457 (Remove the cost for a basic masterwork composite longbow.)
Now you can round up the value to 2 500 gp, or round it down to 2 450 gp.
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Jackinthegreen
Explorer
I hate to ruin your fun Dandu, but Polymorph doesn't allow the becoming of an outsider unless the starting character was already one. That's admittedly fairly easy with LA buyoff and something like Tiefling.
As for using it on an archer though, there are certainly some good possibilities among the types it does allow changing into. If the archer has a solid build and can do 100's of points of damage per turn, polymorph could certainly take it higher and give new abilities to synergize with the character. I haven't done any research on it so don't ask for polymorph forms that would work for it, but I can definitely imagine SOMETHING would make it worthwhile.
As for using it on an archer though, there are certainly some good possibilities among the types it does allow changing into. If the archer has a solid build and can do 100's of points of damage per turn, polymorph could certainly take it higher and give new abilities to synergize with the character. I haven't done any research on it so don't ask for polymorph forms that would work for it, but I can definitely imagine SOMETHING would make it worthwhile.
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Jackinthegreen
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I edited that info in actually after my own research, although the timestamp could of course say I changed it after you posted.
I didn't notice your post until after I had refreshed.
Dandu
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For a regular, Human archer, you could change into a humanoid with good strength and dexterity. Maybe a Girallon?
Hey, anyone know of any especially useful, non-outsider polymorph forms for an archer?
Hey, anyone know of any especially useful, non-outsider polymorph forms for an archer?
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Jimlock
Adventurer
If only I had the time to list the composite bows and other magical trinkets I could buy with 25K!!!
As for the estimate itself... I wouldn't know how to rate it. What I know is that there are feats that are priceless... in a sense that there are no items to compensate for what they do... So I honestly don't know how seriously can we take this estimate...
And there's that. It's certainly badly written... I had my doubts when I first read it but after you posted it and no one argued I thought that my reading was too severe.
But as you said, It's highly likely that it simply states that it can also be a composite bow just like any other longbow... Meaning that one can get a "simple" Bone Bow and another a composite Bone Bow with the regular PHB pricing for the composites on top of the 250gp.
That does't give the right to every strong character to pierce hard rock as if it was butter.
I was wondering which lines override which:
1)Alter Self:
or..
2)Polymorph:
I know this has been discussed to death, but this is not the case of natural attacks (Hydras etc.)
Any ideas?
Dandu
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A +4 Composite Longbow would not be among them, as it costs over 32K.
Not in the real world, no. However, we play a game where you can carve out tunnels in solid rock with longswords. (And which seems to lack mechanics for breaking parts off of weapons other then, perhaps, by using Sunder.)
Alter Self states:
"You do not gain any extraordinary special attacks or special qualities not noted above under physical qualities, such as darkvision, low-light vision, blindsense, blindsight, fast healing, regeneration, scent, and so forth."
So the text you quoted from Polymorph overrides that.
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