Celtavian said:
I just thought designer and editors made a mistake. It isn't like the 3.5 PHB isn't rife with mistakes.
The 3E PHB Table of Action Types says Sunder is a standard action; it lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
The 3E SRD description of Sunder calls it a standard action; the SRD lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
The 3.5 PHB Table of Action Types says Sunder is a standard action; it lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
The 3.5 SRD Table of Action Types says Sunder is a standard action; it lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
The d20 Modern handbook Table of Action Types says Sunder is a standard action; it lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
The d20 Modern SRD Table of Action Types says Sunder is a standard action; it lists Trip, Grapple, and Disarm as action type varies, and notes that they can be performed as part of a full attack action.
It's not an editing slipup unless that same editing slipup made it into three different handbooks and their equivalent SRDs, without being mentioned in the errata for any of those three documents.
da chicken said:
According to the text of the PH, the table is in error.
No - only if you make the assumption that Sunder replaces any melee attack to begin with. If you make that assumption, then you read "You can use a melee attack" as confirmation of the assumption.
If you assume, on the other hand, that the table is correct (rather than assuming that the table is in error and that the same error has made its way into all of the documents mentioned above), then the text does not contradict the table. The text merely states what the Sunder standard action allows you to do - use a melee attack to strike an opponent's weapon or shield.
The text
only contradicts the table if you make the presupposition that the table is in error, and use that presupposition to interpret the text.
-Hyp.