Tyler Dunn
Explorer
How many people here have managed to reach tier 4 in 5e after starting from tier 1? I have heard that it is a hard thing to do.
Reaching tier 4
ad_hoc
(they/them)
It's as easy or hard as your table makes it to be.
I have had two 5e campaigns start at 1st and go to Tier IV. I recently resumed one. It has pcs at 17-20 including one who started at 1st and has played up to 18th, one who playrd 1 to 15 and got 2 free levels, 1 who played 10-20, and a newbie coming in at 16.
I have seen one pc go from 1 to 20 in play, that took about 2.5 years 2015-2017. Not nearly as long as the 5.5 years it took the one 4e pc I saw go from 1 to 30!
I have seen one pc go from 1 to 20 in play, that took about 2.5 years 2015-2017. Not nearly as long as the 5.5 years it took the one 4e pc I saw go from 1 to 30!
the Jester
Legend
I'm the dm, not a player in this case, but one pc has hit 20th in my campaign and another has reached 19th.
Tyler Dunn
Explorer
What were their classes, and how many people are in that party?
Tyler Dunn
Explorer
Side question: How many people have had, or heard of, a wizard character reaching tier 4? It just seems that with the wizard's low hp and AC, it would be hard for them to survive that long.
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Immortal Sun
Guest
It's not that hard if the party keeps pressing forward into more dangerous things or doing quests that reward appropriate EXP.
Assuming it's EXP by the book for monsters it's really just up to the party.
Assuming it's EXP by the book for monsters it's really just up to the party.
jgsugden
Legend
The better question, IMHO, is why do they not reach it?
Some fall to the TPK and start a new game.
Some are campaigns where the DM only wants to run for a finite period, and ends the game when the DM is no longer willing to continue.
Others end when the players elect to go in another direction, either ending the group or having the group play a new campaign with a new DM.
In my experience, the games ends most often due to DMs ending it (rather than PC deaths or players giving up). DMs burn out, they desire to play more than to DM, or they get too busy to run a game. Players are often very invested in their characters by the time they get above 10th level and - if the DM has crafted a game where they have stories to tell - the players really want to finish their stories. If the DM is just running dungeon after dungeon with no sories behind thecharacters beyond episodic challenges, they still are eager to get to that next ability that comes at the next level, or to find that next powerful magic item...
Games ending before the highest levels are a missed opportunity. When I'm a player, I seek to avoid it my trying to engage with the DMs world and support them in making it fun for them as a DM as much as it is fun for us as players.
Some fall to the TPK and start a new game.
Some are campaigns where the DM only wants to run for a finite period, and ends the game when the DM is no longer willing to continue.
Others end when the players elect to go in another direction, either ending the group or having the group play a new campaign with a new DM.
In my experience, the games ends most often due to DMs ending it (rather than PC deaths or players giving up). DMs burn out, they desire to play more than to DM, or they get too busy to run a game. Players are often very invested in their characters by the time they get above 10th level and - if the DM has crafted a game where they have stories to tell - the players really want to finish their stories. If the DM is just running dungeon after dungeon with no sories behind thecharacters beyond episodic challenges, they still are eager to get to that next ability that comes at the next level, or to find that next powerful magic item...
Games ending before the highest levels are a missed opportunity. When I'm a player, I seek to avoid it my trying to engage with the DMs world and support them in making it fun for them as a DM as much as it is fun for us as players.
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