Lordnightshade
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Ok, so I was trying to figure out what feat to take for my 2nd level shadowdancer. I looked at Spring Attack, and thought… hmmm could that be combined with my hide in plain sight ability to basically move – attack – hide? I asked one of the “rules lawyers” in my group, and he told me he didn’t think I could do that, so I called up Wizards of the Coast Technical Support (800-324-6496) and asked them. The guy who had answered the phone said he had heard that question before and this is what he told me:
“You know how you can draw your weapon while you move if you have at least a +1 BAB? Well this is kinda like that, if you are a shadowdancer and can hide in plain sight you can hide/move – attack – hide/move.” He then went on to say that there was a module somewhere that had an NPC in it that could do this. He didn’t recall the name of the module (If anyone knows which one it is, that would be very helpful).
Anyway I really like this idea, and I would love to be able to do this, however, the other players in my group are concerned about this, and I want to be able to sell my DM on this idea as it IS up to him. Also I want to be able to use this with my NPC Shadowdancers when I DM.
Is this little trick something that is possible?
Here are the arguments from people in my group against this:
“If hiding is not an action, then a character with above a +20 something in hide can never be attacked. (b/c no one has +30 on their spot check) being able to appear from nowhere, sneak attack, and then disappear is too good. It can only be beaten by those with ungodly spot checks, which are well nigh non-existent.
This makes hide in plain sight is even better than improved invisibility!!! Which it shouldn't be.”
My reply to this is: It’s not my fault no one puts their skill points in spot, I know when I DM a lot of my NPCs have very good spot checks, and I don’t feel that this would be unbalanced.
Another person in my group said:
“That whole sequence seems wrong. It makes you completely un-hittable in combat. Hiding after attacking makes it better than invisibility. On the other hand, you are only getting one attack a round with it, so it might not be THAT bad.”
True, this is really good, however, as a Fighter 4/Rogue3/Shadowdancer2 I don’t have that many hitpoints, and I think being able to spring attack like this very nicely fits the whole Shadowdancer concept, ‘a warrior striking unseen from the shadows.’
So please let me know what you guys think.
“You know how you can draw your weapon while you move if you have at least a +1 BAB? Well this is kinda like that, if you are a shadowdancer and can hide in plain sight you can hide/move – attack – hide/move.” He then went on to say that there was a module somewhere that had an NPC in it that could do this. He didn’t recall the name of the module (If anyone knows which one it is, that would be very helpful).
Anyway I really like this idea, and I would love to be able to do this, however, the other players in my group are concerned about this, and I want to be able to sell my DM on this idea as it IS up to him. Also I want to be able to use this with my NPC Shadowdancers when I DM.
Is this little trick something that is possible?
Here are the arguments from people in my group against this:
“If hiding is not an action, then a character with above a +20 something in hide can never be attacked. (b/c no one has +30 on their spot check) being able to appear from nowhere, sneak attack, and then disappear is too good. It can only be beaten by those with ungodly spot checks, which are well nigh non-existent.
This makes hide in plain sight is even better than improved invisibility!!! Which it shouldn't be.”
My reply to this is: It’s not my fault no one puts their skill points in spot, I know when I DM a lot of my NPCs have very good spot checks, and I don’t feel that this would be unbalanced.
Another person in my group said:
“That whole sequence seems wrong. It makes you completely un-hittable in combat. Hiding after attacking makes it better than invisibility. On the other hand, you are only getting one attack a round with it, so it might not be THAT bad.”
True, this is really good, however, as a Fighter 4/Rogue3/Shadowdancer2 I don’t have that many hitpoints, and I think being able to spring attack like this very nicely fits the whole Shadowdancer concept, ‘a warrior striking unseen from the shadows.’
So please let me know what you guys think.
