D&D 5E The Magical Martial

[Minigiant]

I still say more class is the answer

Make a class that is an ordinary unskilled mook who runs on luck and plot armor that everyone accepts due to divine blessing or astrological birth or a ton of lucky charms

Make a class that is a warrior whose skill transitions to extraordinary martial prowess that lets him do "lucky attacks" consistently due to training.

Make a class that is a warrior who collects super powers as he levels straight up.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

The way I'm using them is 'Fantastic is not the same as Magical'. In what way is that using them in such a way that they are the same?

Because your are using fantastic as a broad blanket that covers things that are extraordinary compared a non fantastic world.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I still say more class is the answer

Make a class that is an ordinary unskilled mook who runs on luck and plot armor that everyone accepts due to divine blessing or astrological birth or a ton of lucky charms

Make a class that is a warrior whose skill transitions to extraordinary martial prowess that lets him do "lucky attacks" consistently due to training.

Make a class that is a warrior who collects super powers as he levels straight up.

Sounds good to me. A numbers of folks here seem to have real problems with defining stuff they don't think needs to be defined though.

 

[dave2008]

And if the door of that portal included a ln image mage in the hands of a fire giant, with a hellhound in the background, I'd expect you to have figured out that you aren't in Kansas anymore.

It has nothing to do with the door, just seeing the people do it would clue me in. Now, if I couldn't also jump 15' in the air (which I can't) I would also assume those people are extraordinary (aka supernatural, aka magical); and if I could suddenly jump 15' in the air (all else being equal) I would assume I had become extraordinary as well.

Is that really difficult to understand.

 

[Minigiant]

Sounds good to me. A numbers of folks here seem to have real problems with defining stuff they don't think needs to be defined though.

It's more that their desire to not want to buy more books to get access to extra stuff they are enthusiastic about and it forces them to warp their beliefs about stuff.

If there were more martial classes with different levels of extraordinary, supernatural, and magical aspects, this thread doesn't exist.

This thread exists because "More classes are bad. I don't want to buy another book to get 3 classes when I am only interest in one".

 

[Gammadoodler]

It has nothing to do with the door, just seeing the people do it would clue me in. Now, if I couldn't also jump 15' in the air (which I can't) I would also assume those people are extraordinary (aka supernatural, aka magical); and if I could suddenly jump 15' in the air (all else being equal) I would assume I had become extraordinary as well.

Is that really difficult to understand.

You're kind of making my point for me.

Nowhere in your examples have you needed anyone to tell you that you or anything else in the setting is extraordinary.

 

[dave2008]

I still say more class is the answer

Make a class that is an ordinary unskilled mook who runs on luck and plot armor that everyone accepts due to divine blessing or astrological birth or a ton of lucky charms

Make a class that is a warrior whose skill transitions to extraordinary martial prowess that lets him do "lucky attacks" consistently due to training.

Make a class that is a warrior who collects super powers as he levels straight up.

That works to a point (for me). The question is: what is that point.

Question for you (I will try one more time to get you to answer): If I am playing a human fighter and at some point my character can lift a 10 ton boulder over its head and through that boulder a mile. No other human can do this, or even close to this. Is my character not extraordinary? Is this something everyone can do?

 

[dave2008]

You're kind of making my point for me.

Nowhere in your examples have you needed anyone to tell you that you or anything else in the setting is extraordinary.

And you have made mine: the setting is extraordinary (aka magical, aka supernatural)

 

[Minigiant]

That works to a point (for me). The question is: what is that point.

Question for you (I will try one more time to get you to answer): If I am playing a human fighter and at some point my character can lift a 10 ton boulder over its head and through that boulder a mile. No other human can do this, or even close to this. Is my character not extraordinary? Is this something everyone can do?

The caveat is if they can lift the boulder because they are level 10 or if it is a base rule.

 

[CreamCloud0]

And you have made mine: the setting is extraordinary (aka magical, aka supernatural)

if the setting itself is extraordinary, then the fighter or rogue who are in it, when they themselves do extraordinary things, like punching through steel plate or dodging all the damage of a fireball without moving out the radius, are merely ordinary in the setting, and don't need magic or supernatural abilities to do so.