Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Because it does say that for all other classes. I don't understand why that's confusing.
D&D (2024) The sorcerer shouldn't exist
CreamCloud0
One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
all the classes thus includes the fighter and the rogue then! they have the special sauce already added, NO-ONE in a DnD world is 'just human' because 'just human' would mean that they don't have magic as part of their fundamental being, but seeing as everyone in DnD DOES have magic as part of their fundamental makeup, even the fighters and rogues, so you can't judge them by earth standards which doesn't have magic.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I wrote "all other classes". This excludes, rather obviously I think, fighter and rogue in WotC 5e.
Flights of Fancy
Candy is King
I think this would work if your concept of wizard means someone must have a "gift" or talent for magic to study it. Like Harry Potter.
If you go the other direction that anyone can study magic and become a wizard given the means opportunity it wouldn't make sense.
CreamCloud0
One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
no, the quotes i provided are stated facts about the entire base world of DnD, they don't say 'there is a fundamental component of magic in all things bar fighter and rogue' or 'every living thing bar fighter and rogue have ki', you're reading your personal bias into places it isn't stated.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Nope. I'm going by the class descriptions.
Neonchameleon
Legend
Why? A sorcerer must have some source of magic - but I don't understand why it wouldn't make sense?
Fighter and rogue gain that component through some combination of subclasses feats and magic items.
Analyze and breakdown your question for us. For purposes of discussion let's say that wotc creates a totally mundane barista inspired subclass that is tuned to compete with the most Christmas tree of Christmas trees magic item feat and spell PCs without the use of feats magic items or spells... What happens to the game when this Rifts inspired totally mundane dragon combat cyborg monstrosity joins the table with mere human vagabonds rogue scholars and city rats?∆. What happens when the totally mundane dragon combat cyborg wants to use the same magic & ultra tech everyone else uses just to keep up to enhance itself?
∆why yes those are race and class options in the same game
CreamCloud0
One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
and i'm going by the descriptions of the nature of the fundamental world, of which those classes are part of
yes, the fighter and rogue might not use the 'active magic sources' that the other classes use, but that doesnt mean the fighter and rogue aren't using the 'passive magic sources' that it's stated literally everything in the world uses and is built with
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Flights of Fancy
Candy is King
Yes, a sorcerer, but not a wizard, in the second option. The idea was to make wizard a subclass of sorcerer. Spellbooks allow greater spell access is the subclass thing. Which I feel works if you want wzards to have the gift for magic, like Harry Potter.
I said if the ability to use magic is a "gift" you are born with or gain from something, like the sorcerer, then wizards as sorcerers also have the "gift".
The second mind is a world where anyone can learn magic, you don't need it as a gift. If you think that way, it doesn't make sense that wizard should be a subclass of sorcerer. They have no "gift".
A wizard sorce of magic is learning magic -- nothing born with or gained by event. That is second option.
