D&D (2024) The sorcerer shouldn't exist

[Yaarel]

"Spells" in quotes right? Not spells, but yes WotC made Psionic magic.

1E no. "they enable characters so endowed to perform in ways which resemble magical abilities." from PHB. Resemble.


No. Your statement is incorrect. Humans are not inately magic.


My examples were examples only. Not a complete list of all sources of magic. Only sorcerers is innate. Paladins oaths. Clerics also from connection to something or someplace else. Not innate magic with no outside source.


You have not shown how at all. I disprove all your claims. You can play this way, but it is not the rule.

In the 5e Monster Manual, the Psionic tag explicitly refers to "innate" "spellcasting".

The Psionic power source is a form of magic that "casts spells".

Humans are magic.

 

[Yaarel]

Here is text in full.

5e 2014 Monster Manual, page 10.

"
PSIONICS
A monster that casts spells using only the power of its mind has the psionics tag added to its Spellcasting, or Innate Spellcasting special trait. This tag carries no special rules of its own, but other parts of the game might refer to it. A monster that has this tag typically doesnt require any components to cast its spells.

"

Humans too are innately magical, and have souls that are capable of magic.

 

[Yaarel]

Humans are innately magical.

5e Tashas Cauldron of Everything

Fighter, Psi Warrior.

"
Awake to the psionic power within, a Psi Warrior is a Fighter who augments their physical might with psi-infused weapon strikes, telekinetic lashes, and barriers of mental force. ...
As a Psi Warrior, you might have honed your psionic abilities through solo discipline, unlocked it under the tutelage of a master, or refined it at an academy dedicated to wielding the mind's power as both weapon and shield.

"

A "mind" is capable of magic. Humans too have a mind and thus the "psionic power within".

Humans are innately magical.


5e 2014 Players Handbook

Monk.

"
THE MAGIC OF KI
Monks make careful study of a magical energy that most monastic traditions call ki. This energy is an element of the magic that suffuses the multiverse − specifically the element that flows through living bodies. Monks harness this power within themselves to create magical effects and exceed their bodies physical capabilities, and some of their special attacks can hinder the flow of ki in their opponents. Using this energy, Monks channel uncanny speed and strength into their unarmed strikes. As they gain experience their Martial training and their mastery of ki gives them more power over their bodies and the bodies of their foes.

"

Ki is a "magical energy" that flows thru the body of a living Human. This innate magic that is "within themselves" allows "uncanny" powers that are part of training in the "Martial" power source.

Humans are innately magical.

 

[Flights of Fancy]

In the 5e Monster Manual, the Psionic tag explicitly refers to "innate" "spellcasting".

The Psionic power source is a form of magic that "casts spells".

Humans are magic.

The first two have nothing to deal with proving third.

Here is text in full.

5e 2014 Monster Manual, page 10.

"
PSIONICS
A monster that casts spells using only the power of its mind has the psionics tag added to its Spellcasting, or Innate Spellcasting special trait. This tag carries no special rules of its own, but other parts of the game might refer to it. A monster that has this tag typically doesnt require any components to cast its spells.

"

Humans too are innately magical, and have souls that are capable of magic.

You still do not prove anything. Humans are capable of magic, yes, but does not make them innately magic.

Humans are innately magical.

5e Tashas Cauldron of Everything

Fighter, Psi Warrior.

"
Awake to the psionic power within, a Psi Warrior is a Fighter who augments their physical might with psi-infused weapon strikes, telekinetic lashes, and barriers of mental force. ...
As a Psi Warrior, you might have honed your psionic abilities through solo discipline, unlocked it under the tutelage of a master, or refined it at an academy dedicated to wielding the mind's power as both weapon and shield.

"

A "mind" is capable of magic. Humans too have a mind and thus the "psionic power within".

Humans are innately magical.

Again capable of magic. Not innate magic. Psi Warrior and other such are exceptions to the general rule: humans are not innately magical.

5e 2014 Players Handbook

Monk.

"
THE MAGIC OF KI
Monks make careful study of a magical energy that most monastic traditions call ki. This energy is an element of the magic that suffuses the multiverse − specifically the element that flows through living bodies. Monks harness this power within themselves to create magical effects and exceed their bodies physical capabilities, and some of their special attacks can hinder the flow of ki in their opponents. Using this energy, Monks channel uncanny speed and strength into their unarmed strikes. As they gain experience their Martial training and their mastery of ki gives them more power over their bodies and the bodies of their foes.

"

Ki is a "magical energy" that flows thru the body of a living Human. This innate magic that is "within themselves" allows "uncanny" powers that are part of training in the "Martial" power source.

Humans are innately magical.

You do not understand how to prove. Humans are not innately magical. Oxygen flows through all humans, it does not make us innately oxygen.

Common people do not innately cast spells in D&D games. They are not innately magical.

 

[Yaarel]

The Human species is innately magic.

Humans innately have minds. Minds are innately capable of magical spellcasting. Humans are innately magic.

Humans innately have ki. Ki is explicitly magical. Humans are innately magic.

 

[Shardstone]

Maybe the best way to satisfy all parties is to give Sorcerer Extra Attack and Maneuvers?

 

[James Gasik]

Maybe the best way to satisfy all parties is to give Sorcerer Extra Attack and Maneuvers?

No that's too complicated, not even all Fighters should have Maneuvers!

 

[Shardstone]

No that's too complicated, not even all Fighters should have Maneuvers!

Let's give Sorcerers Extra Attack and Reckless Attack then.

 

[Yaarel]

If the concept of a Sorcerer is a nonhuman bloodline, then the Sorcerer should be able to acquire nonhuman traits.

So far the Sorcerer does this. The Dragon Sorcerer exhibits Dragon features including serpentine scales that grant an AC bonus. The Wild Sorcerer exhibits traits of the random surges of the broiling Elemental Chaos. The Aberrant Sorcerer transmogrifies with squick features including Nonhuman gills and mucus and slime, in addition to telekinetic flight.

This focus on bloodline traits could go further and be more central.

 

[Micah Sweet]

"Spells" in quotes right? Not spells, but yes WotC made Psionic magic.

1E no. "they enable characters so endowed to perform in ways which resemble magical abilities." from PHB. Resemble.

2E no. Complete Psionic Handbook

"Many people assume that psionics is just another type of magic. The AD&DR game already has two
types of magic-one wielded by wizards and the other by clerics. So it is not unreasonable to ask, "Does
the game need a third type of magic?" The answer is no, the game probably does not need a third kind of
magic. But the question is misinformed because psionics is not magic. Magic is the ability to shape,
control, harness, and utilize natural forces that infuse the game world and surround the characters. It is
based on the principle that, through the use of words, gestures, and catalyzing materials of unique power,
these external energies can be controlled. The key element of that statement is external energy. Magical
effects are produced externally by manipulating outside forces. The power does not come from inside the
wizard or priest but from somewhere else. Psionics is the complete opposite of this."


No. Your statement is incorrect. Humans are not inately magic.


My examples were examples only. Not a complete list of all sources of magic. Only sorcerers is innate. Paladins oaths. Clerics also from connection to something or someplace else. Not innate magic with no outside source.


You have not shown how at all. I disprove all your claims. You can play this way, but it is not the rule.

Avenge me, @Flights of Fancy !