Titan Fighting

[Felnar]

glossary definition of "modifier" in the PHB (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_modifier&alpha=)

Modifiers from the same source do not stack,

so incase someone hasnt already covered it, the same racial bonus cannot apply twice.

and i agree that titan fighting is poorly worded, and would houserule it to not penalize a dwarf for having it when fighting giants.

 

[IcyCool]

glossary definition of "modifier" in the PHB (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_modifier&alpha=)

so incase someone hasnt already covered it, the same racial bonus cannot apply twice.

and i agree that titan fighting is poorly worded, and would houserule it to not penalize a dwarf for having it when fighting giants.

Thank you. This is what I was looking for.

 

[griff_goodbeard]

The way I read it, the +4 racial bonus replaces and becomes a vanilla dodge bonus. That is why they stack vs. giants. You take this feat to become better at fighting creatures larger than you, including giants. I agree that the feat is poorly worded though and opens itself to many interpretations.

FYI as far as I can tell this feat is way better for gnomes, who can apply this bonus to medium sized creatures as well.

 

[Coredump]

glossary definition of "modifier" in the PHB
Modifiers from the same source do not stack,.

Yes, but these are not from the same source. One is from a racial bonus, and one is from a combination of two feats. If the feats said 'treat larger creatures as if they were giants" then it would be from the same source.

 

[Caliban]

Yes, but these are not from the same source. One is from a racial bonus, and one is from a combination of two feats. If the feats said 'treat larger creatures as if they were giants" then it would be from the same source.

The combination of two feats doesn't give you a new source for a +4 Dodge bonus. It just let's you use your already existing +4 racial dodge bonus vs. giants against any other large creature.

If you are facing a giant, you don't get to appy your racial dodge bonus twice.

 

[apesamongus]

Let's phrase it the same as Titan Fighting.

It allows the monk to apply his Wis bonus to AC, instead of his Dex bonus.

See, I'd allow it in that case.

 

[apesamongus]

The combination of two feats doesn't give you a new source for a +4 Dodge bonus.

Correct. But it does take two already existing dodge bonuses and increases one of them.

 

[Caliban]

Correct. But it does take two already existing dodge bonuses and increases one of them.

No it doesn't. It allows you to use your +4 dodge bonus vs. giants INSTEAD of your +1 dodge bonus from the Dodge feat.

It doesn't increase the bonus from the dodge feat at all.

This is clearly stated in the text of the feat that IcyCool included in the first post of the thread.

 

[apesamongus]

No it doesn't. It allows you to use your +4 dodge bonus vs. giants INSTEAD of your +1 dodge bonus from the Dodge feat.

It doesn't increase the bonus from the dodge feat at all.

This is clearly stated in the text of the feat that IcyCool included in the first post of the thread.

Right, and if I order a steak that comes with a baked potato and a salad and ask if I can have a salad instead of a baked potato, then I had better get two salads.

 

[Philip]

Guys, argue all you like, but it doesn't make sense to me that:

A. You get to add a +4 racial dodge bonus twice because of Titan Fighting against giants. With the feat you learn to apply your expertise to other large creatures, not improve your giant-fighting skill.
B. You lose your +1 dodge bonus from your feat against giants just because you have Titan Fighting. This would mean that the training from the feat worsens your AC vs. giants when you try to dodge them. That's plain freaking weird.

Game balance and common sense tells me that PCs with Titan Fighting have:

a +1 dodge bonus against same-size or smaller creatures they are dodging
a +4 dodge bonus against larger-size creatures they are dodging
a +4 dodge bonus against giants
a +5 dodge bonus against giants they are dodging

Too bad if the rules are poorly written.