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[UPDATED] Issues With Official D&D 5E Spell Cards?

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

Gale Force 9 is the licensed producer of the spell cards and sells them through its online store, Flames of War. I'm not 100% clear where Battlefront fits in there - all the company addresses mention it, so I assume it's a parent company or somesuch. Perhaps somebody in the comments can clarify!

His email exchange with Battlefront went as follows:

Battlefront Customer Service: Unfortunately there is nothing in place to replace the original card sets. This was an error caused by Wizard of the Coast sending the wrong files to be printed. Should you need to seek compensation may I suggest contacting their customer service department?

Trystero: I'm very confused by this reply: I understand that the corrected printings aren't available yet, and at this point I just want to return the first-printing box which you shipped me (despite my having e-mailed twice to ask for my order to be held until new printings are available). How should I return this unwanted item?

Battlefront Customer Service: We are not accepting returns or exchanges for these cards. Please direct any further questions to Wizards of the Coast. This error is on their side.


Of course, mistakes happen, and that's OK. They can be resolved, and I'm sure trystero will get his issue fixed in no time. But it's curious that GF9 is directing people towards WotC on the matter rather than dealing with it themselves. I have no insight into any arrangements between the two companies, other than that GF9's products are official, licensed D&D products.

I think personally I'll hold off until the end of April or so before ordering any of the newly updated cards, just in case. I'm sure it'll sort itself out!

UPDATE -- John-Paul Brisigotti from Battlefront has posted a reply.

Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

 

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JohnnyZemo

Explorer
I had a different issue with GF9 related to the cards. I placed an order a couple of weeks ago for the Bard, Paladin, and Ranger spell cards. At the time their website listed these cards as "low stock." After my order was placed I was notified that all of those cards are actually out of stock. I felt like I had been deceived, so I cancelled my order.
 

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trystero

Explorer
I think what's missing is the "smoking gun": the email exchange where:

1) the customer asks for the order to not ship until the product is revised with the new cards.
2) the company acknowledges and agrees to that request.

My outrage is withheld unless both conditions are met.
I'm not trying to provoke anyone's outrage, but you're right that this information is important. Here are the relevant e-mails: first, my message to Battlefront sent on 9 February...
Trystero said:
Hi, Battlefront customer-service folks,

I placed order number 258291 through your web store yesterday, 8 February 2015, from store account number 32461, for copies of all six of your D&D Spellbook Cards accessories.

My shipping address and billing details haven't changed: I'm just writing to add a note to the order asking for it to be fulfilled with the corrected/revised decks (the new ones with missing spells added, rounded corners, and concentration indicators) rather than the first-printing decks, which I already own. (There wasn't any place in the checkout process to add this note, so I thought I should write to you after placing the order.)

I hope this isn't too much trouble: please contact me if you have any questions or encounter any difficulties with this request.

Cheers!

...and their response sent on 11 February:

Battlefront Customer Service said:
The next print is scheduled to arrive in late March or early April. You can expect email confirmations from us and UPS around that time frame.

We do apologize for the confusion.

Thank you,
Battlefront Miniatures

I took this to mean that they were okay with delaying the order until the new printings were available, and that it would be fulfilled with those printings.

The original-printing deck shipped on 12 February, the day after this e-mail.

Customer blaming: What I don't understand is why the customer didn't just wait to place the order until after the revised product actually became available.
I'm asking myself that very question now.

You're probably dealing with a list monkey that's been instructed to not take back cards from people that ordered the wrong thing, and is too stupid to recognize they screwed up.

I agree. As I said above, this isn't about outrage, but just about letting other potential buyers know that this can happen. I'm not looking to punish GF9 or Battlefront (beyond disputing my credit-card transaction) because of a lousy customer-service incident, and I don't plan to boycott them: I'm just going to buy the things of theirs that I want either locally, so that I can check the boxes, or from a trustworthy online vendor which offers returns.

Edit: I also wrote to Battlefront yesterday asking them to cancel the remainder of my order, and letting them know that I plan to take the matter up with my credit-card company.
 
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Coredump

Explorer
I would boycott them. I can understand a bad CS encounter, but they are not doing anything to rectify that situation.

I would try getting a few different email addresses, and CC them with your next Customer service email.

Mention that they incorrectly filled your order with the wrong product, mention that you are willing to assume it was not an intentional bait and switch even though they agreed to one product and sent another. Mention that you will be contesting the charge with your credit card.

Finally, you can mention that You had a contractual agreement with Them.... You agreed to give Them money, and They agreed to send You the correct cards. WotC had nothing to do with that arrangement.
 


Kramodlog

Naked and living in a barrel
On a lighter note, here is a 3765 years old customer complaint. Written on a clay tablet. He is still waiting for a refund.

View attachment 67191

Tell Ea-nasir: Nanni sends the following message:

When you came, you said to me as follows : "I will give Gimil-Sin (when he comes) fine quality copper ingots." You left then but you did not do what you promised me. You put ingots which were not good before my messenger (Sit-Sin) and said: "If you want to take them, take them; if you do not want to take them, go away!"

What do you take me for, that you treat somebody like me with such contempt? I have sent as messengers gentlemen like ourselves to collect the bag with my money (deposited with you) but you have treated me with contempt by sending them back to me empty-handed several times, and that through enemy territory. Is there anyone among the merchants who trade with Telmun who has treated me in this way? You alone treat my messenger with contempt! On account of that one (trifling) mina of silver which I owe(?) you, you feel free to speak in such a way, while I have given to the palace on your behalf 1,080 pounds of copper, and umi-abum has likewise given 1,080 pounds of copper, apart from what we both have had written on a sealed tablet to be kept in the temple of Samas.

How have you treated me for that copper? You have withheld my money bag from me in enemy territory; it is now up to you to restore (my money) to me in full.

Take cognizance that (from now on) I will not accept here any copper from you that is not of fine quality. I shall (from now on) select and take the ingots individually in my own yard, and I shall exercise against you my right of rejection because you have treated me with contempt.

http://io9.com/this-1750-bc-babylonian-tablet-is-an-ancient-customer-s-1688317703
 

linkbox

First Post
I'd be surprised if WotC has the ability to unilaterally end their agreement. And almost certainly not because a customer got some bad service. Nobody would sign a license that could be summarily ended by a customer complaint.


Good point about agreeing to the licence, but it still doesn't change the fact that issues like these hurt the D&D brand so WotC should try to prevent them from happening in the future. Also this is not an issue that affects "a customer", its them selling a faulty product and not owning up to it.its kinda like if you bought a pack of cards and it was missing the 7 of diamonds on all packs and then refused to fix the issue.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Good point about agreeing to the licence, but it still doesn't change the fact that issues like these hurt the D&D brand so WotC should try to prevent them from happening in the future. Also this is not an issue that affects "a customer", its them selling a faulty product and not owning up to it.its kinda like if you bought a pack of cards and it was missing the 7 of diamonds on all packs and then refused to fix the issue.

I see it more as a customer service rep and their dealings with two (that we know about) customers. We've no evidence to suggest this is any kind of widescale problem.
 

linkbox

First Post
I see it more as a customer service rep and their dealings with two (that we know about) customers. We've no evidence to suggest this is any kind of widescale problem.

I hope you are right! It happened to me too (well they just straight up didn't reply) so I am at least not buying anything from them ever again (unless I see evidence that their customer service is indeed good). I may be giving them an extra hard time but this was my first experience with them and it was not good so I am certainly going to stay away from them for now :)
 

Theovis

Explorer
If they actually have an arrangement with WOTC where wizards is covering the refunds, this is fine, but if it's just passing the buck this is unacceptable.
 

linkbox

First Post
If they actually have an arrangement with WOTC where wizards is covering the refunds, this is fine, but if it's just passing the buck this is unacceptable.

I spoke with WotC about this and they told me to talk to GF9; I reached out to them and they ignored me for 1 week. Still, even if they had replied, they probably would have had me reach out to WotC as they did to the others @_@
 

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