Talonblaze
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Okay, so got quite the oddball case here. Hoping to get a few answers about it. We got a (natural) Wereserpent Monk that is trying a rather 'interesting' build from what we've seen.
We already clarified about the natural weapons vs monk strikes and he seems fine with that. (Preferring monk attacks anyways in most cases.)
From his sources he used them from Serpent Kingdoms and Masters of the Wild. (Playing a 3.X campaign.)
Presenting us with these feats; Snatch (MotW), Improved Snatch*, Body Pouch and Prehensile Tail (both from SK).
Able to obtain Snatch via this technical loophole;
SNATCH [GENERAL]
You can grapple more easily with your claws or bite.
Prerequisite: Access to a form with either claws or bite
as natural weapons.
And then taking Improved Snatch noted at the bottom of the post since its only prereq was Snatch.
The player want's to replicate the monster ability to Swallow Whole. (Even if he can do no bludgeon or acid damage from within at his size.) To utilize the tactic to incapacitate a victim and remove them from combat in such a method. Trying to aim for somehow qualifying for Gape of the Serpent to make this task easier. Similar to suffocating or containing enemies within the Body Pouch. (Taking Choke Hold to negate their Grapple checks before entry.)
Wanting to know if having taken Snatch and Improved would merit enough to qualify for either Swallow Whole or GotS. Also noting this odd but peculiar entry in GotS that we tried to double check references for;
Gape of the Serpent:
Normal: Unless otherwise noted, a creature can swallow opponents up to one size category smaller than itself
With that noted we were unsure what to make of the entry. Even checking to make sure it wasn't an older version. (As noted, newer versions were always the more correct.)
If so, he stated if he couldn't simply take Swallow Whole or GotS he could merely up his size category (through whatever method) and do it anyways.
Being a Lawful Evil Monk, such actions weren't really surprising to us.
Secondly he wondered about the Prehensile Tail feat with its one single requirement it doesn't elaborate on.
One of the prereqs being a 'tail attack'. However, Lycans nor Snakes get such unless 'constrict' is a form of such. But even then, useless in hybrid form.
He argued that his tail could be used for his attack (being part of his body after all and usable for monk strikes) to qualify for it, but we are unsure how to rule it since only a few creatures have a tail attack and its usually noted as a 'Tail Slap' which for most feats is a very specific form of attack requirement for tails. (Yes, SK is 3.5)
Thoughts, queries? We aren't against his idea or build. We just aren't sure how to rule it or get him to where he wants by RAW.
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*Draconomicon
IMPROVED SNATCH [GENERAL]
You can make snatch attacks against bigger opponents than
other creatures can.
Prerequisite: Snatch.
We already clarified about the natural weapons vs monk strikes and he seems fine with that. (Preferring monk attacks anyways in most cases.)
From his sources he used them from Serpent Kingdoms and Masters of the Wild. (Playing a 3.X campaign.)
Presenting us with these feats; Snatch (MotW), Improved Snatch*, Body Pouch and Prehensile Tail (both from SK).
Able to obtain Snatch via this technical loophole;
SNATCH [GENERAL]
You can grapple more easily with your claws or bite.
Prerequisite: Access to a form with either claws or bite
as natural weapons.
And then taking Improved Snatch noted at the bottom of the post since its only prereq was Snatch.
The player want's to replicate the monster ability to Swallow Whole. (Even if he can do no bludgeon or acid damage from within at his size.) To utilize the tactic to incapacitate a victim and remove them from combat in such a method. Trying to aim for somehow qualifying for Gape of the Serpent to make this task easier. Similar to suffocating or containing enemies within the Body Pouch. (Taking Choke Hold to negate their Grapple checks before entry.)
Wanting to know if having taken Snatch and Improved would merit enough to qualify for either Swallow Whole or GotS. Also noting this odd but peculiar entry in GotS that we tried to double check references for;
Gape of the Serpent:
Normal: Unless otherwise noted, a creature can swallow opponents up to one size category smaller than itself
With that noted we were unsure what to make of the entry. Even checking to make sure it wasn't an older version. (As noted, newer versions were always the more correct.)
If so, he stated if he couldn't simply take Swallow Whole or GotS he could merely up his size category (through whatever method) and do it anyways.
Being a Lawful Evil Monk, such actions weren't really surprising to us.
Secondly he wondered about the Prehensile Tail feat with its one single requirement it doesn't elaborate on.
One of the prereqs being a 'tail attack'. However, Lycans nor Snakes get such unless 'constrict' is a form of such. But even then, useless in hybrid form.
He argued that his tail could be used for his attack (being part of his body after all and usable for monk strikes) to qualify for it, but we are unsure how to rule it since only a few creatures have a tail attack and its usually noted as a 'Tail Slap' which for most feats is a very specific form of attack requirement for tails. (Yes, SK is 3.5)
Thoughts, queries? We aren't against his idea or build. We just aren't sure how to rule it or get him to where he wants by RAW.
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*Draconomicon
IMPROVED SNATCH [GENERAL]
You can make snatch attacks against bigger opponents than
other creatures can.
Prerequisite: Snatch.
