Able to engage in melee, contribute non-trivial DPR, and not face near-certain death that same round, at a minimum.This was brought up in my thread about Tempest Clerics and I'm just curious what people consider to be "good at melee" or "good in melee"
You prettymuch have to be a dedicated archer in a game without feats, or a 10 CON wizard (not bladesinger) with no spells that don't require an attack roll, to completely fail at melee in 5e. Between spells being casually usable in melee, ranged weapons being so with a feat, decent AC being available to all, and whack-a-mole healing, no one should be scared of being adjacent to an enemy now and then. Not the way any sane low-level wizard would've been back in the day.To me, melee is more than JUST damage per weapon attack. It's being able to take some hits. It's being able to stay down on the front line and still contribute to the party in one way or another.
Thoughts?
Sorry, non-proficient WIS saves, WIS as a dump stat, every little thing that inflicts Frightened will scare the stereotypical melee fighter. Been a problem since 3.0, really. Only good WILL saves and high WIS (clerics, for instance) get to be brave, mechanically. Everyone else has to settle for bravado.All I ask of the melee guys in my group is courage.
Above, I essentially said that everyone was good in melee, I believe you may have just said that no one is.In my mind a class is good st melee if it has these capabilities:
This was brought up in my thread about Tempest Clerics and I'm just curious what people consider to be "good at melee" or "good in melee"
To me, melee is more than JUST damage per weapon attack. It's being able to take some hits. It's being able to stay down on the front line and still contribute to the party in one way or another.
Thoughts?
Hadn't thought of it that way, but, yeah, in 5e that'd be ideal. (In modern RL, too, thanks to firearms.)Ideally, you want everyone in the party to be good in melee and excellent at ranged combat. It doesn't often happen that way but it's nice when it does.