A high level fighter should just be death incarnate to anything more than a level or two below them. Just, every attack is like 'save versus death' and every time you try to escape or cast a spell in their reach it triggers two AoOs and an ongoing penalty. Imagine being attacked by Muhammad Ali but he's twice as powerful and carrying a giant sword. It would be utterly overwhelming. All of these '+2 to this' and 'have your second choice fighting style as well' type bonuses are just too small.
D&D General What does the mundane high level fighter look like? [+]
I think the real thing to add is a lot of non combat abilities that are generic enough to be used for many things.
A 1st level wizard, for example, has charm person. It can be used in combat, but also can be used nearly any time. Any time the wizard has any encounter with an NPC they can attempt to charm them.
The fighter needs and ability like that....but a mundane one.
A 1st level wizard, for example, has charm person. It can be used in combat, but also can be used nearly any time. Any time the wizard has any encounter with an NPC they can attempt to charm them.
The fighter needs and ability like that....but a mundane one.
Scribe
Legend
"I am going to use my Persuasion skill on this NPC." ?
MuhVerisimilitude
Adventurer
Yes exactly, except you should be able to know what the effect would be before you attempt it, you should be able to know if you can even do it in the first place, and you should be able to know what the consequences would be if you fail, and you should be able to know how long it will take to attempt it.
I think a fair and good question to ask first in a fantasy world what does mundane mean? Does the world/reality you are in change that? Does mundanity "lose its grip" as you level or to put it another way does becoming a "hero" "champion" mean something more than title like a change in the state of being?
Well.....first of all the wizard can do that.
But a skill use does not really come close to a spell.
*The skill has lots of modifiers and limits. The charm spell has nearly none.
*Skills have lots of rules and often need an opposed roll. The charm spell has a only a save.
*Skills need a point, ability and 'build' to be effective. The charm spell is 100% always effective.
*The skill last a minute or so...or less. The charm lasts a whole hour(more in 3x)
Scribe
Legend
And it should not, a skill can be used over and over throughout a day. A spell (other than those cursed cantrips) is a resource.
Clint_L
Hero
So if D&D was a different game? What is D&D without any particular rule set attached? I don’t understand what "D&D in general" means.
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Depends.
The Fighter class itself only represents a small sliver of what a warrior is.
It is a raw D&Dism.
As is, it is a slow walking tank. The trope of the Might Glacier.
The question is, should the high level fighter encompass other warrior tropes?
Fast Skirmishers? Mounted Cavaliers? Agile Duelists? Skilled Mercenaries? Valiant Knights? Tactical Generals? Inspiring Squadleaders? Honarable Warrior Castes?
Only casters are allowed to have more than one class to differentiate differing methods. Here have a subclass that pretends to do it all but with no flavor/character/personality.
