D&D 4E Why Vancian spellcasting is good for the game (and should mostly be in 4e)

[Codragon]

... ie, 3E. Hopefully this will change in 4E....

At the risk of thread derailment, this is a great point. Fly and invis. are on par with what the greatest super heroes can do, yet they are relatively low level spells in an all editions of dnd. So what we end up with are elaborate, contrived DM countermeasures and "nerfing". I would be in favor of making them higher level spells in 4e.

In 4e, fly should be (the 3.5e equivalent of) a 6th level spell, invisibility removed, improved invisibility renamed to invisibility and made 7th level.

 

[Tharkun]

Skills and Powers Sucked and killed TSR.

It worked just fine. Our group didn't have any trouble with it.