WotC may have sent the Pinkertons to a magic leakers home. Update: WotC confirms it and has a response.

[LeviKornelsen]

Which is a totally understandable and rational action. It makes sense. But it also reduces his own appearance of having deliberately done something shady. Cui bono?

Oh, I don't think he's some unimpeachable source, no.

But in terms of overall credibility of statements, he wins over "What Wizards spun from what the Pinkertons reported to them" by any number of country miles.

 

[Faolyn]

They did not steal anything. Let's not fall down the rabbit hole of ever-increasing exaggerations.

They took things that didn't belong to them and used threats to obtain them.

Good question! Perhaps that's indicative that they did indeed suddenly get massive numbers of views and get shared all over social media, because such a huge spoiler that early basically never happens.

Perhaps people who really pay attention to MtG news can tell how well-known the video was before WotC's actions drew attention to it.

Telling someone that they may be criminally liable is not the same form of threatening as telling someone to hand over their wallet or get assaulted. Putting your foot in a door is not the same thing as a home invasion.

Yes, telling someone that they may be criminally liable unless you hand over your own legally-obtained property--yeah, that's threatening. Especially if the person who tells you is someone from an organization with a very long history of intimidation and violence.

And putting your foot in the door may not be a home invasion, but it can definitely feel like one, especially if it comes with threats.

You seem to be giving full credence to the more dramatic and negative details Cannon has furnished, while disregarding the less damning ones. Like that the agents did indeed ask. Or that after they made his wife upset he told them to be more respectful and step outside, and they obeyed both instructions. Neither of which would follow if they were trying to force their way into his home, physically intimidate or rob him.

Maybe if WotC had hired security agents from a agency with a better reputation, I'd give them more benefit of the doubt. Or maybe if WotC had condemned the agent's actions instead of just saying "we would never tell them to use intimidation."

 

[Faolyn]

Putting their foot in the door to stop it from shutting it is bad! Itdoesn't seem like what most people think of as "forcing their way through the door".

Yes, it is bad, and I think that most people, should someone prevent them from closing the door, think that means the person is going to try to force their way through. Is there another reason to prevent someone from closing the door? You either want to get into the house or you don't want them to get away from you. Both of those things are intimidating. Especially, quite frankly, if it's a man (or a couple of men) doing it and you're a women, which is what happened here (remember, she opened the door).

Lying about jail time for something seems bad too!

Yes, that is bad as well.

They had threatened him with up to 10 years in jail and a $200k fine, which is a really big deal. It's not like they were threatening him with a slap on the wrist. This could have completely ruined his life and his wife's life.

 

[Faolyn]

Maybe WoTC didn't know how Cannon got the cards until they were able to ask him? All they know is some random YouTuber made a few videos with ards they are not supposed to be able to buy just yet. Is it possible for someone to get the cards by stealing them (not talking about Cannon)? Yes. Is it possible someone got them by mistake (still not talking about Cannon)? Yes. Until they are given information on how the cards got out, theft is a possible consideration.

And that is why they should have sent an email or certified letter to him to find out.

See, if they wanted to threaten him to get this information, they could have threatened to have YouTube remove his videos, ban him, or demonetize him. Any of those would have been completely understandable and if any of them had happened, this thread wouldn't have existence. Nobody would have cared.

It doesn't really matter if you think he exaggerated or not, because WotC admitted they hired the Pinkerton agents to reclaim the cards he had legally bought, and that is several steps too far.

 

[Umbran]

Mod Note:
Having reviewed the last several pages of this thread, it does not seem like it is adding value to the community. It does seem to present a continued threat of argument and animosity.

So, thread closed.