I am sure the Thief class is based off the character Jimmy the Hand from the Feist novels. I mean Jimmy shows all of the Thief abilities that you can almost hear the dice rolling!
=;o)
D&D 5E Why D&D is not (just) Tolkien
I am sure the Thief class is based off the character Jimmy the Hand from the Feist novels. I mean Jimmy shows all of the Thief abilities that you can almost hear the dice rolling!
=;o)
Parmandur
Book-Friend
I know, right?
Parmandur
Book-Friend
I think Prof. Barker has some IP theft from Feist to answer for as well.
Caliburn101
Explorer
Not to mention Gary Gygax was apparently a liar when engaging with fans.
Caliburn101
Explorer
It's one of your 'facts'.
I suppose me adding Treents to the list of 'completely bloody obvious Tolkien facsimiles in D&D' is just another invalid part of my argument?
I don't make strawman arguments - so if you advocate people wasting their personal time mulling over thread posts by others to prove their point like they are writing a paper on it - pull all the non-existent strawman arguments you claim I repeatedly make and publish a book or something.
Don't expect anyone to buy it though - unless they want to use the blank pages for writing down campaign notes...
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Caliburn101
Explorer
You missed the focus of what I was saying and have added extra scope to the question posed by the OP by doing so.
We were talking about inspirations of ideas that had come into the game. At no point do I recall him saying these were HIS ideas - he was talking about D&D. So if Arneson brought something in then there was no attribution one way or the other in that conversation.
Consider how many times have you heard people speaking about a game or campaign in terms that attribute the events to the characters or the game, and not the people playing it? It was inconsequential to me about the 'who' at the time so I didn't ask, and I cannot recall him offering such detail off his own back.
Anyway, I am tired of having a more than 20 year old conversation I have very fond memories of picked apart by the cynicism of the overly-delicate and being passive-aggressively accused of making it up. I have recalled as much of it as I honestly can, so I'm done with this thread.
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billd91
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I see another possibility here as well - that this is actually pretty small potatoes, people claim credit from each other all the time, and you're pretty much stepping over the line into dick behavior.
Salamandyr
Adventurer
Gygax could have said that Lord of the Rings was formative to his reading, but I don't see how. He was born in 1938. The Lord of the Rings was not published until the mid-50's.
And worse, Gygax was American, LOTR was not generally available in the US until Ace books bootlegged it in 1965...just in time for it to be adopted by the counterculture. It's understandable that Gygax would be antipathic to LOTR; here's a near 30 year old man who has been reading great fantasy and scifi by the likes of Anderson, Howard, de Camp, and Burroughs suddenly inundated with Johnny Come Latelies who suddenly discovered fantasy exists with their discovery of Hobbits.
It's pretty much how I feel about Game of Thrones and "Big Bang Theory".
And worse, Gygax was American, LOTR was not generally available in the US until Ace books bootlegged it in 1965...just in time for it to be adopted by the counterculture. It's understandable that Gygax would be antipathic to LOTR; here's a near 30 year old man who has been reading great fantasy and scifi by the likes of Anderson, Howard, de Camp, and Burroughs suddenly inundated with Johnny Come Latelies who suddenly discovered fantasy exists with their discovery of Hobbits.
It's pretty much how I feel about Game of Thrones and "Big Bang Theory".
Parmandur
Book-Friend
Unreliable narrator, let's go with.
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