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The Proper Use of Nudity in FRPG Art

Arnwyn

First Post
danbuter1 said:
Guys, it's FANTASY! I WANT to see hot, near-to-totally nude women. If you must have a realistic look to your adventurers, feel free. But don't expect me to buy your book if it's full of ugly people.
I'm going to ditto this for me. While I understand that some out there value realism and the like, for me and my buying dollar, I'd much rather have completely unrealistic nonsense of the female persuasion!

In any case, I think WotC (and publishers in general) are doing it about right for their particular target audiences.
 

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shilsen

Adventurer
Arnwyn said:
I'm going to ditto this for me. While I understand that some out there value realism and the like, for me and my buying dollar, I'd much rather have completely unrealistic nonsense of the female persuasion!

Why only of the female persuasion? Let's have a little equality in the art, please.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
It's fantasy. Fantasy is built on disturbing prejudice. Fantasy breathes, eats, and drinks disturbing prejudice.

So, either every single registered member of this messageboard is an immature fascist, sexist, racist and chauvinist pig; or we're able to distance ourselves from the tropes and clichés of the genre.

This.

Fantasy is built on legends and fairie tales, which existed to drive home the lessons of their eras. In most earlier eras, some of the most predominant lessons were "boys and girls are different," "boys fight wars and girls make babies," "people who speak different languages are idiot thugs," "slavery is our divine right," and "kings are just better than you."

D&D culls from this history. Every time we save a princess from a dragon, we're telling a tale of Christian conversion. Every time we kill something and take it's stuff, we're reliving Manifest Destiny. Not directly, not always conciously, but on some level, we're rehersing those lessons.

Now, I don't believe that D&D should at all be bound by this history. The empowered women archetype may be a recent one, but it's one with a lot of resnonance in our culture, and it should be embraced. But the damnsel in distress is a more persistent archetype, and claiming that every time it is displayed is tantamount to sexism is being hyper-sensitive, at the least.

But take that Frazetta picture of the woman in the snow with the baby and the wolves. That's one of those situations adventurers might stumble upon in the forest, and have to help out with. Adventurers like Vadania or Lidda or Miallee or Alhandra, powerful women characters. The existence of the vulnerable woman type doesn't mean that the strong woman type doesn't also exist.
 

Mallus

Legend
Gez said:
It's fantasy. Fantasy is built on disturbing prejudice. Fantasy breathes, eats, and drinks disturbing prejudice.

So, either every single registered member of this messageboard is an immature fascist, sexist, racist and chauvinist pig; or we're able to distance ourselves from the tropes and clichés of the genre.
Very well said.
 

Arnwyn

First Post
shilsen said:
Why only of the female persuasion? Let's have a little equality in the art, please.
Because I'm a guy? I made very clear in my post that it was my personal preferences.

Screw "equality" in art, for me and my preferences.
 

Thurbane

First Post
I'm not familiar with the artist, but I think this is a great presentation of a strong female barbarian/half-orc, and firmly in the Frazetta/Bisley art style:

iwd2_0107d04.jpg
 

Jhulae

First Post
Historically, there are many places around the world where both men and women were topless (such as ancient Egypt) and/or wore translucent garments. I wouldn't have any objections to pictures of adventurers from Mulhorand (in FR) being dressed in typical ancient Egyptian styles of clothing, as Mulhorand is modelled after that era. (And, in one campaign, I played a sorcerer who dressed that way, wearing just a kalisiris.)

That style of art wouldn't be appropriate for all depictions of adventurers though.

I guess, the point boils down to the fact that I have no problem with nudity in art as long as it's appropriate to the piece.
 

prosfilaes

Adventurer
Arnwyn said:
Because I'm a guy? I made very clear in my post that it was my personal preferences.

Screw "equality" in art, for me and my preferences.

I'm a guy too, and I'd rather have a healthier hobby with people of both sexes then a bunch of cheesecake art. You know, maybe some books I can show a girlfriend.

Of course, the cheesecake art has never done much for me anyway. The women in the art of D&D that have caught my eye have been like the Dark Hunter in the Complete Warrior or the Earth Gensai in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting; not cheesecake at all.
 

shilsen

Adventurer
Arnwyn said:
Because I'm a guy? I made very clear in my post that it was my personal preferences.

Screw "equality" in art, for me and my preferences.
I'm a guy too and I'd much rather see naked women than naked men, but I'd also much rather have art in the books that more people than just me can appreciate. And that goes not just for art but rules, flavor and everything else. Unless I wanted D&D to fail completely, I'd have to be incredibly shortsighted to want it to cater only to my tastes and nobody else's.
 

danbuter1

First Post
To put it simply, if you put in pictures of naked men, there are going to be a LOT of teenage boys who WON'T buy the game.
 

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