Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[mlund]

Almost everything I hate about Tieflings and Dragonborn stem from the awful decisions made with their art.

Egg-laying reptiles don't get breasts. I'm sorry if the art department is insisting on having clear gender-specific traits that human players are familiar with but it is really cutting into my acceptence of the race.

Meanwhile, Tieflings have the most awful PC race art I've ever seen. First of all, those horns and tails are ridiculous birthing hazards. Secondly, if a human village has one of those ... things ... born there it would be drowned shortly thereafter and the mother burned for consorting with demons. Other versions of the Tiefling seemed much more viable, but they were likely deemed "too close to elves" or whatnot. So the end result are a bunch of repugnant-looking devil-spawn raised and normalized around humans while looking and acting less human than several breeds of devil.

They don't even have useful stat bumps or background fluff, in my opinion.

At least the Dragonborn have that Klingon thing as a starting point. They've got the "Proud Warrior Race Guy," trope down to a T. The Tieflings have that "Ugly Tainted Emo Kid," niche that really just rubs me the wrong way.

- Marty Lund

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Dragonborn are pants on head retarded, new tieflings are jaw-droppingly lame. Ditch the scalies and make tieflings back to how they were in 2e and we'll talk.

Addendum: I don't see the argument of "Well, they're different in my setting" as a valid one. That tells me you dislike the two races just as much, but you're willing to look past your dislike to alter them into something you do like. You still dislike the two races. You've just taken them and made them something more palpable to you.

 

[Doug McCrae]

those horns and tails are ridiculous birthing hazards.

Good point. That's why no real life animals have horns.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

Love 'em both. Dragonmen are a staple of fantasy that I've wished were part of D&D since I played Wizardy: Crusaders of the Dark Savant when I was a kid. As for Tieflings they were an incredibly popular race in my groups in 3.x and now they are just as popular. Love 'em.

Dragonmen are a "staple" of fantasy? That's news to me.

 

[Lord Mhoram]

I like 'em both.

Playing a Dragonborn now, and plan to have a Tiefling Paladin for my next character.

 

[The Little Raven]

Egg-laying reptiles don't get breasts.

Good thing they're not reptiles, then.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

Honestly, I am genuinely surprised that even the oldest grognard believes that new players are going to come to the table looking for a wholly Tolkienesque world, or being upset when they learn that there might be dragonborn or tieflings in the game.

 

[Ander00]

I don't care much either way. I just wish their presentation wasn't quite so 'meh'.

That said, I kind of like my dragonborn warlord.


cheers

 

[Eric Tolle]

I wonder what it is about younger gamers that makes them so conservative, reactionary even.

I mean, back in the day, Dragonborn and Tieflings would be nothing; we were plundering Arduin Grimore for Phraints and Deodanths, not to mention Sauregs; we had demons, Wolfriders, Vulcans with light sabers, and I think one guy even played a minature Godzilla.

But not Gnomes. Nobody played Gnomes.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Honestly, I am genuinely surprised that even the oldest grognard believes that new players are going to come to the table looking for a wholly Tolkienesque world, or being upset when they learn that there might be dragonborn or tieflings in the game.

Equally, I'm surprised people think adding those in will in of themselves be a draw for more people to start playing the game

Edit: That smiley looks FAR more obnoxious then I intended. Sorry for that.