Can you use forced movement abilities on allies?

[UltimaGabe]

Fairly simple question. Can you use a power that forces movement (such as a Warlord's Opening Shove) on an ally?

If so, what happens with the free attack granted by it?

Regardless of the answer to that question, is there another (or an easier) way for PCs to force movement on allies, such as pulling them out of a dangerous square or pushing them into a flank?

 

[1of3]

Sure.

You could probably also use a standard action to simply slide an ally one square. That would be like a grab with zero resistance.

 

[Al'Kelhar]

Sure, unless the target of the power is expressed as an "enemy".

I'm more than happy to have the wziard in my campaign thunderwave her allies into a pit. Indeed, my the wziard in my campaign has been tempted on the odd occasion to do just this...

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

 

[Caliban]

In the past, my wizard has thunderwaved a fighter before his turn so that he can reach a bad guy, and my sword mage has used lightning lure on an ally to pull them out of a Gelatinous Cube.

 

[Thundershield]

Sure, unless the target of the power is expressed as an "enemy".

I'm more than happy to have the wziard in my campaign thunderwave her allies into a pit. Indeed, my the wziard in my campaign has been tempted on the odd occasion to do just this...

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

While I can see the hilarity of this, you don't have to subject a target to the full forced movement (or any of it for that matter). If you attack a target and get to push it 10 squares, you can choose to push it 10 or 1 square or any number of squares in between or not at all.

 

[Ryujin]

Sure, unless the target of the power is expressed as an "enemy".

I'm more than happy to have the wziard in my campaign thunderwave her allies into a pit. Indeed, my the wziard in my campaign has been tempted on the odd occasion to do just this...

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

There are many powers that are specifically geared to performing forced movement on allies but I would say that if you use a forced movement ATTACK on a friendly, then that ally suffers exactly what an enemy would; as you say, as long as it doesn't specify enemies as the target.

Our party Wizard Thunderwaved half the party on one occasion, shortly after joining us. From that moment on he was the first thing that I cursed in any combat.

 

[chriton227]

Fairly simple question. Can you use a power that forces movement (such as a Warlord's Opening Shove) on an ally?

If so, what happens with the free attack granted by it?

Opening Shove gives you a choice of two secondary effects, either you can give an ally a free swing at the target you shoved, or you can give an ally within a certain range a shift. My current favorite tactic is to shove an ally (2 squares thanks to Rushing Cleats) and then give the same ally the shift. It has been great for getting allies out of bad situations like being grabbed by zombie swarms. My DM does enforce that I have to hit with the attack though, the target can't just voluntarily let themselves get hit. Our biggest debate has been whether or not I get CA from flank if there is an enemy on the other side of my ally.

 

[Caliban]

Opening Shove gives you a choice of two secondary effects, either you can give an ally a free swing at the target you shoved, or you can give an ally within a certain range a shift. My current favorite tactic is to shove an ally (2 squares thanks to Rushing Cleats) and then give the same ally the shift. It has been great for getting allies out of bad situations like being grabbed by zombie swarms. My DM does enforce that I have to hit with the attack though, the target can't just voluntarily let themselves get hit. Our biggest debate has been whether or not I get CA from flank if there is an enemy on the other side of my ally.

We've ruled that somone who wants to be hit by a power can automatically grant CA to the attacker.

 

[Pbartender]

While I can see the hilarity of this, you don't have to subject a target to the full forced movement (or any of it for that matter). If you attack a target and get to push it 10 squares, you can choose to push it 10 or 1 square or any number of squares in between or not at all.

If I'm not mistaken, that depends on the wording of the power... If it says "you push the target 10 squares", then the target must suffer the full 10 squares of forced movement. If it instead says, "you can push the target 10 squares", then you have the choice, as you suggest.

 

[CapnZapp]

If I'm not mistaken, that depends on the wording of the power... If it says "you push the target 10 squares", then the target must suffer the full 10 squares of forced movement. If it instead says, "you can push the target 10 squares", then you have the choice, as you suggest.

You are. Mistaken that is.

And you're also reading crunchy things into normal random sentence variations: the WotC designers aren't writing legal code, and you shouldn't scrutinize each and every comma.

Read up on forced movement; it'll tell'ya all forced movement is "up to X".