Pathfinder 1E Can a multi-class cleric/wizard lose a wizard spell in order to "Spontaneously" cast cure?

[The Black Ranger]

Now in the Cleric section, it states the cleric may lose any prepared spell that is not an orison or a domain in order to spontaneously cast a cure spell. Does this work by losing a wizard spell?

 

[GMMichael]

Nope. Wizard spells are not granted by the deity - so they cannot be spontaneously converted.

At least, that's what a stick-up-his-butt DM would say.

 

[The Black Ranger]

Nope. Wizard spells are not granted by the deity - so they cannot be spontaneously converted.

At least, that's what a stick-up-his-butt DM would say.

But it says in the description "any" prepared spell except for orisons and domain spells.

 

[GMMichael]

But it says in the description. . .

. . . of the cleric class.

 

[1of3]

That's not what it says.

A good cleric (or a neutral cleric of a good deity) can channel stored spell energy into healing spells that the cleric did not prepare ahead of time. The cleric can "lose" any prepared spell that is not a domain spell in order to cast any cure spell of the same spell level or lower (a cure spell is any spell with "cure" in its name).

 

[Dragonsbane]

*yawn*

Go for the spirit of the words, not the technicality of them. Of course they can't channel a non-cleric spell. Any DM that allows it is either generous or not worried too too much about balance.

I would say no.

*removes stick*

 

[Ruin Explorer]

*yawn*

Go for the spirit of the words, not the technicality of them. Of course they can't channel a non-cleric spell. Any DM that allows it is either generous or not worried too too much about balance.

I would say no.

*removes stick*

If you're worrying about balance whilst happily allowing people to play full-casters in 3.XE/PF, you are probably running the wrong game. 3.XE/PF have many many merits. Being "balanced", though, is no more one of them than "having an accessible, reliable skill system" was for 1E.

I think it really depends on the group, personally. If they have ample sources of healing, I wouldn't allow it, because, yeah, it's probably not intended and doesn't necessarily make complete sense. If this guy was the only healer, though, I'd probably allow it - after all, from a DM's perspective, the chances are he's burning a spell for healing now that would actually prevent a lot of need for healing later...

 

[The Black Ranger]

Imagine a Wizard 19/Cleric 1 gaining access to all cure spells.

 

[gamerprinter]

Often RAW can be "rules lawyered" into meaning something else, due to missing concepts not covered in the rule, still RAI would state that: no, the benefit of the rule regards divine spells only. Being multiclass, doesn't grant the features of one class onto the other.

I've looked, there is no stick.

 

[Perram]

There is already a heated discussion on this topic on the official forums, and there are links to both Sean K. Reynolds (when he still worked at Paizo) and Stephan Randy McFarland saying that it isn't allowed.

So in short, No, you can't use the Wizard spells to cast the cure spells.