D&D 5E Happy 50th, Forgotten Realms!

[Jeremy E Grenemyer]

and now that the 7 to 5 dates are off what does that mean?

Most likely that the online sources are wrong, since the quote I linked to is by Steven Schend, a longtime Realms designer and friend of Ed's.

Zirta is mentioned in Grand History of the Realms, if I recall correctly, but I don't have my books (they're all in storage) so I can't check it to see if a date is listed.

 

[Jeremy E Grenemyer]

It doesn't mean that most celebrate those achievements as the anniversary of a campaign world.

That's not something I claimed, so I am not sure who you are talking to.

 

[Jeremy E Grenemyer]

. FR as a literary fantasy setting may very well be older than that, but as it directly relates to D&D, it's 37-40, depending.

it's my understanding that work on the Realms continued as Ed got older, as a place to set fantasy stories. This period saw the creation of characters like Mirt the Wolf and Durnan the Wanderer, places like Waterdeep and regions like the Sword Coast.

As far as I know the entirety of the Faerunian continent and most of the other continents on the world of Toril were created before Ed discovered D&D and decided to adapt his world to it.

 

[Gecko85]

it's my understanding that work on the Realms continued as Ed got older, as a place to set fantasy stories. This period saw the creation of characters like Mirt the Wolf and Durnan the Wanderer, places like Waterdeep and regions like the Sword Coast.

As far as I know the entirety of the Faerunian continent and most of the other continents on the world of Toril were created before Ed discovered D&D and decided to adapt his world to it.

Right - which is exactly what I said

As a literary setting, it pre-dates D&D, but as a campaign setting for D&D, it's between 37 and 40 years old.

 

[Jeremy E Grenemyer]

Apologies. I should have put "indeed" or something similar at the start of my last post to show agreement with your statement about the Realms existing as a setting for stories prior to its use as a D&D campaign.

 

[aramis erak]

what... how dare you tell me where I can and can't post. Thisis of the thread is the realms is 50 years old, this is the thread I wish to post in... it is not 50 years old, nothing else in published history is messured this way...

I love the Dresden Novels, and I know the writer spent years trying to get published, but those years don't count... it's age goes from publication date. I'm not being insulting or causeing a problem all I am doing is tating the facts... the forgotten realms is 28years old...


I do notice you avoided the question, do you count everything this way, or only things the creator calls out and self promotes themselves that way?

Actually, legally, in the US, the realms would copyright date (since it was after 1978) to the first time it was fixed in a "tangible form" - IE, when Ed first wrote it down, provided that was no more than 2 years prior to the earlier of registration and/or publication. The actual published version would be a derivative of that initial version.

The first dresden novel legally predates the publication by several years - from the moment it was committed to paper or disk by Jim Butcher... and that's after the reforms of the mid-90's, which make copyright extend axiomatically to the electronic form.

So, legally, those years do count.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Actually, legally, in the US, the realms would copyright date (since it was after 1978) to the first time it was fixed in a "tangible form" - IE, when Ed first wrote it down, provided that was no more than 2 years prior to the earlier of registration and/or publication. The actual published version would be a derivative of that initial version.

The first dresden novel legally predates the publication by several years - from the moment it was committed to paper or disk by Jim Butcher... and that's after the reforms of the mid-90's, which make copyright extend axiomatically to the electronic form.

So, legally, those years do count.

ok, I will relent if you show me the copyright date... I;m sure that should be easy... let me google that...

edit: all I can find with a quick search is this...

Top: The Forgotten Realms first and second edition logo
Bottom: The third and fourth edition Forgotten Realms logo


Designer(s)
Ed Greenwood

Publication date
1987–current

Genre(s)
Fantasy

Language(s)
English

Media type
Game accessories, novels, role-playing video games, comic books

2nd edit: I'm sure someone can snap a picture of there FR book that says it has a Copyright date in the 60's.... that would clear this up.

 

[aramis erak]

ok, I will relent if you show me the copyright date... I;m sure that should be easy... let me google that...

edit: all I can find with a quick search is this...



2nd edit: I'm sure someone can snap a picture of there FR book that says it has a Copyright date in the 60's.... that would clear this up.

That's the registration data, which is not the same thing...

Look up the law on "unpublished work" - and note that registration is not required for the first two years if they are before (IIRC) 1994, and never required now.

So, Ed's copyright as an unpublished work was, given the era, valid for the first two years. Lets' be generous and call it 1983, then the working drafts as new unpublished derivatives in 1985, then the release... as a theoretical maximum age for legal purposes.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

That's the registration data, which is not the same thing...

Look up the law on "unpublished work" - and note that registration is not required for the first two years if they are before (IIRC) 1994, and never required now.

So, Ed's copyright as an unpublished work was, given the era, valid for the first two years. Lets' be generous and call it 1983, then the working drafts as new unpublished derivatives in 1985, then the release... as a theoretical maximum age for legal purposes.

wait... 1983, maybe my maths off... 2015-1983=32 years not 50...

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

So, does that make Watchmen over 50 years old, since Dave Gibbons created Nite Owl when he was a kid?