D&D 4E Are powers samey?

[FrogReaver]

Do you like X?
Yes/No

It's a really, really short conversation. Frankly, learning why you might not like a game that's been out of print for years just so folks can drag up the same tired old edition warring crap from a decade ago, virtually word for work, isn't diffusing hard feelings. Good grief, what do folks who dislike 4e have to have hard feelings about? They WON. 4e got buried, never to be spoken of again.

I understand the viewpoint just fine. Folks don't like 4e. Fine and dandy. Folks feel the overwhelming need to justify their feelings by "proving" that 4e is a bad game. Not hard to understand. It's been perfectly clear since about 2008.

I like 4e and still think it was samey in ways that matter to me.

 

[Hussar]

No one has ever said don't question anyone on it. Not all opinions are equal afterall. But surely you can understand the general notion that some things can be "different" but still be so similar that those differences don't really matter. We may disagree on the particulars about which features fall into that category - but it is still a meaningful category.

No, it really isn't.

Folks will simply move the goalposts to ensure that their "opinion" is validated. That anyone can, with a straight face claim that these powers were so similar that the differences don't matter but can accept other editions without a problem is laughable. It's a bad joke. And, any examples of the differences are just brushed away without consideration.

 

[Maxperson]

Do you like X?
Yes/No

It's a really, really short conversation.

Did no one ever teach you how to ask an open ended question?

 

[Maxperson]

No, it really isn't.

Yes it is, because "meaningful" is also subjective.

So long as there are at least two people who feel that it is meaningful, it will be. Just not to YOU.

 

[Oofta]

No, it really isn't.

Folks will simply move the goalposts to ensure that their "opinion" is validated. That anyone can, with a straight face claim that these powers were so similar that the differences don't matter but can accept other editions without a problem is laughable. It's a bad joke. And, any examples of the differences are just brushed away without consideration.

Well good to know that you can dismiss everyone that doesn't agree with you by simply putting words in quotation marks.

I, for one, explained what I mean when I said "samey". Other people have given you their explanations. You don't have to agree. But it's insulting to be told that an opinion is a bad joke.

 

[Eric V]

The problem is, when people say "samey to me, based on XYZ," but another game also has XYZ but is somehow NOT samey...well, there seems to be some cognitive dissonance there. Then, when people try to discuss it, it becomes "subjective."

I don't want to put words in @Hussar 's mouth, but it seems to me the more authentic reaction would be to say "I just didn't like it."

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Sounds like you are starting to get it.

If that description cosntitutes me “getting it” (the 4th time or so that I’ve described the issue in that way), then “samey” is not a word that has any meaning.

 

[FrogReaver]

The problem is, when people say "samey to me, based on XYZ," but another game also has XYZ but is somehow NOT samey...well, there seems to be some cognitive dissonance there. Then, when people try to discuss it, it becomes "subjective."

I don't want to put words in @Hussar 's mouth, but it seems to me the more authentic reaction would be to say "I just didn't like it."

Rarely is "samey to me, based on XYZ" ever directly comparable enough to another game that such a person likes where they don't feel it's "samey to me, and also has XYZ". Usually it's the person arguing against their opinion that is trying to state that game A and game B both have XYZ when they really don't (or at least don't to the same degree).

 

[FrogReaver]

If that description cosntitutes me “getting it” (the 4th time or so that I’ve described the issue in that way), then “samey” is not a word that has any meaning.

It does and we've explained why about 50 times now. But your welcome to have the opinion that our definition of samey is to samey to be meaningful to you

 

[Don Durito]

If that description cosntitutes me “getting it” (the 4th time or so that I’ve described the issue in that way), then “samey” is not a word that has any meaning.

Well no of course it doesn't.

Am I really going to be the first to point out that it is not even a word?