How do people find and pay writers for RPGs?

Cognis

Explorer
I know this might belong in a more industry oriented forum, but I'm losing my mind trying to navigate that flipside of the online job market. So I thought I'd take my chances here. If I transgress, my sincere apologies...

After a long hiatus due to personal tragedy, I am once again working on my project to release novels and games set in a fictional universe I have been working on for quite some time. With all the Corona troubles and people losing their jobs and other incomes and whatnot, I thought I'd see if I could do some good with the project. So I am considering hiring people to do some writing. I intend to direct all income from the project to this in the future, too. I doubt it would make me rich, anyway, and I'm not financially vulnerable any longer.

BUT... finding writers is a freaking NIGHTMARE, Job sites seem to actively throw obstacles in the way, and the amount of false advertising out there is just backbreaking. I hope to be able to get a small group of writers, at first, then expand as the project becomes manageable for me. So I basically have two questions:

1: What kind of hiring would an RPG writer prefer, royalty or fixed rate? I thought fixed rate was more fair, since RPG sales are not usually selling like hotcakes, especially new ones. But some argued that it was unfair to not give the writer a share of earnings and told me to do royalties instead, so I am no longer sure which is better, or if there's a third option?

2: What are the rates, assuming the writers are novice to low experience, and assuming they know precisely what is to be written (though unsolicited work may also be a possibility)? Most seem to advertise hourly rates, but that says nothing about the results. I can write 2000 words/hour on a good day, but many (especially those also advertising poetry) go as low as 150 words per day(!), so it's a jungle!

Anyone with experience, please let me know if there are some kind of answers to this. Anyone who has offered this kind of work, what did you charge?

Note: I'm not currently seeking artists, not until I can get through this particular hiring challenge...
 

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
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A lot of it is word of mouth and who you know. Post calls on forums like this, on social media, etc.

As for rates, royalties, that stuff, I wrote an article about that a while back. Hope it's helpful!

 



Cognis

Explorer
A lot of it is word of mouth and who you know. Post calls on forums like this, on social media, etc.
I feared that. I guess I have to actually be social. Dangit...
As for rates, royalties, that stuff, I wrote an article about that a while back. Hope it's helpful!

VERY helpful!!! This was what I needed from the start! I still get confused about people stating they can't write more than 2000 words in a day, though. I do 1000 per hour, but I may be insane...
RPG.net has a sub-forum dedicated to freelancing that I've used before: Game Freelancing
Aaaand I needed that, too. Yoinks! (and thanks!)
Interesting thread. Freelancing is a tough way to make an easy living apparently. I've only ever written for fantasy sports sites and that was never a paying gig.
I doubt it ever was. I remember when I briefly did some, it really wasn't my thing. I'd like to think I can do better from the other side of the table, if I can get this project up and running for real...
And yes, interesting topic. It bothers me that there is apparently so little guidance on the matter, whether you hire or want to get hired.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I feared that. I guess I have to actually be social. Dangit...

VERY helpful!!! This was what I needed from the start! I still get confused about people stating they can't write more than 2000 words in a day, though. I do 1000 per hour, but I may be insane...
Well they have to be 2000 good words! I spend a lot of time editing people who write 'fast'. :)

But if you can consistently whack out 8000 words of quality copy a day, every day, you've got a talent!
 

Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
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I've always wanted to do game writing but I've always had the same sort of block. I was never sure how to get into it, and I never had or perhaps made the time to do the necessary leg work. I've written some games, but it's always been a case of 'with' and not 'for' and because it was working with the IP of others it was never going to be a paying opportunity.

8000 words a day is mental. Stephen King, a most prolific man himself, aims for 2-3000 words a day. With a 5 day work week @2000/day that's still half a million words a year.
 

aco175

Legend
You might find people on DMsGuild. You should be able to see sample writing and know that these people at least follow through in making finished products.
 

Cognis

Explorer
Well they have to be 2000 good words! I spend a lot of time editing people who write 'fast'. :)

But if you can consistently whack out 8000 words of quality copy a day, every day, you've got a talent!
I was of course refering to near-final stuff, yes :) Doing it non-stop for days on end won't be likely, but before all the Corona stuff I was regularly hitting 3-5000 words per day on the novel I'm on, and I can still do a casual 5K on the RPG stuff if I'm not losing my mind over life stuff. Which, sadly, I have been lately. I know people who write better and faster, too.
I've always wanted to do game writing but I've always had the same sort of block. I was never sure how to get into it, and I never had or perhaps made the time to do the necessary leg work. I've written some games, but it's always been a case of 'with' and not 'for' and because it was working with the IP of others it was never going to be a paying opportunity.
My intention is to make it "I'll show you how to do it" kinda thing. Still need to dot the i's and cross the t's on the process, but I know many who feel like you, and have even coached some to write creatively (not RPGs, though). Don't give up, I believe in you!
8000 words a day is mental. Stephen King, a most prolific man himself, aims for 2-3000 words a day. With a 5 day work week @2000/day that's still half a million words a year.
I know, I love seeing him talk about writing! I think the whole "every day, every week" part is one of the (my) big hurdles, but I'm working on it...
You might find people on DMsGuild. You should be able to see sample writing and know that these people at least follow through in making finished products.
Looking now, but it seems to be entirely D&D oritented?
 

Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
It's not the creative part of the writing I struggle with so much. I'm a pretty good writer (and excellent inside some niche skills), and I have great research skills and reasonable game design chops. What I struggle with is both finding the opportunity (i.e. project) and making the organized time to write as much as I need to. I have four kids and I teach for a living, so my dance card is pretty full. Finding the discipline to make time every day has proved a struggle. I guess we both struggle with the every day every week part of things. Adulting isn't for the faint of heart.
 

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