Unearthed Arcana Why UA Psionics are never going to work in 5e.

[Maxperson]

Okay, seems like the way threads go.

I agree that knowledge on how to become a member of a D&D class typically takes quite a long time from a character's life, and a lot of concentration.

Except that if you use multiclassing rules, a barbarian with no prior learning at all can be a wizard in a single day, since it's really fast to get to level 2. Multiclassing RAW doesn't support that view.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

(Wow, you just love saying Strawman. Do you know the name of any other type of fallacy?)

So, not everyone is smart enough to be a Wizard is what you were saying?

 

[Maxperson]

(Wow, you just love saying Strawman. Do you know the name of any other type of fallacy?)

Yep, but this particular crowd just LOVES to twist arguments and then respond to their own creations. There are enough Strawmen in this thread to create an army.

So, not everyone is smart enough to be a Wizard is what you were saying?

5e has no intelligence limitation unless you are going to multiclass.

 

[Chaosmancer]

That isn't what I said, actually. And you've managed two Strawman's in one sentence. Quite a feat.

I said that not everyone would be able to learn it, not that it should not be teachable. I also said that spellcasters would be common, not that everyone would know magic. Which I corrected you on directly the last time you posted that particular Strawman.

Do you even know how to post logically valid responses?

I was summarizing Max.

Can you post without attempting to insult and discredit people?

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Except that if you use multiclassing rules, a barbarian with no prior learning at all can be a wizard in a single day, since it's really fast to get to level 2. Multiclassing RAW doesn't support that view.

multiclassing is also an optional rule.

 

[Maxperson]

I was summarizing Max.

Can you post without attempting to insult and discredit people?

Then summarize correctly. Don't misstate my positions in ways you know are wrong and have been corrected on before.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Except that if you use multiclassing rules, a barbarian with no prior learning at all can be a wizard in a single day, since it's really fast to get to level 2. Multiclassing RAW doesn't support that view.

Except the fact that Multiclassing isn't a default rule, and is in fact optional. (Again, before you call me a Strawman, I saw that you said "if you use", but I am just clarifying that logic doesn't always fall completely in line with D&D rules, especially optional rules)

Also, yes if you use Multiclassing a barbarian can become a wizard, if the DM allows that kind of logic. I wouldn't allow it, because it doesn't make sense. A barbarian could become a wizard, but shouldn't, but it would take time, like all wizards take when becoming wizards.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Except the fact that Multiclassing isn't a default rule, and is in fact optional. (Again, before you call me a Strawman, I saw that you said "if you use", but I am just clarifying that logic doesn't always fall completely in line with D&D rules, especially optional rules)

Also, yes if you use Multiclassing a barbarian can become a wizard, if the DM allows that kind of logic. I wouldn't allow it, because it doesn't make sense. A barbarian could become a wizard, but shouldn't, but it would take time, like all wizards take when becoming wizards.

It's almost like the default rules for multiclassing are poorly thought out and should be ignored.

I should get off my soapbox.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

The fact that the rules give an option that makes no logical sense doesn't mean that you have to or should follow those optional rules.
Yes, you're right. Multiclassing RAW have no limitations on how you become another class, but whether or not that's logical is not outlined in the rules, and shouldn't be assumed to be used in all/most games.

 

[Maxperson]

Except the fact that Multiclassing isn't a default rule, and is in fact optional. (Again, before you call me a Strawman, I saw that you said "if you use", but I am just clarifying that logic doesn't always fall completely in line with D&D rules, especially optional rules)

I know. If you don't use those rules, then it's easier to go the years to learn route.

The DMG says that spellcasters are relatively rare, and that some remote villagers don't see any spellcasters for generations, which would include Bards, Rangers, Druids, and every other class with an ounce of magic. If just anyone could learn, many merchants, their kids, nobles and their kids, wizards' families, and more would learn magic, because of the power and advantage it offers. Spellcasters wouldn't be relatively rare. They'd be fairly common.

Also, yes if you use Multiclassing a barbarian can become a wizard, if the DM allows that kind of logic. I wouldn't allow it, because it doesn't make sense. A barbarian could become a wizard, but shouldn't, but it would take time, like all wizards take when becoming wizards.

Do your campaigns typically go the years it would require and does the group wait around while the Barbarian is learning?