D&D General Hey, are we all cool with having to buy the same book twice, or what?

[eyeheartawk]

Not invested in Hasbro themselves, but it is funny seeing an attempt made to play an objectively ethical company off as "The Man" and then accusing other people of not being adults.

You keep saying that Hasbro being ethical is an objective fact. You know what else is an objective fact? They engaged in a 13 year scheme to avoid paying taxes. They also benefited from heinous slave labor conditions in their production facilities. See up thread for the CNBC and Reuters links.

 

[Dragonblade]

So lets see if I got this right.

A company charges money for a product that we VOLUNTARILY purchase because we feel the value it adds to our games is worth the cost. That revenue pays the salaries of the workers and employees who create that product, so they can put food on the table for their families and pay their rents, mortgages, and bills.

Yet YOU, the entitled anti-capitalist, are the one being 'exploited' because they aren't providing the product of their labor to you for free? LOL.

And insert the usual faux intellectual rubbish about the 'evils' of 'consumerism', 'corporations', blah blah blah.

I mean this is the fundamental hypocrisy at the heart of Marx. He need to justify the fact that he was a failed loser philosopher who produced nothing of value. So he invented a philosophy that somehow convinced workers that if they worked for free, then everything they needed would also be 'free', and thus losers like him wouldn't have to work at all. I mean my six year old can spot the fundamental flaw with this reasoning.

No matter how hard you twist the math, or hide it with faux intellectual buzzwords, the product of 0 will always be 0. This is why Venezuelan people are starving to death, and why you are able to post on a gaming forum surrounded by the successful results of people being compensated for the product of their labor. In other words, capitalism is entirely the reason you have clothes to wear, food to eat, shelter over your head, a computer to post on, dice to roll, and a D&D game to play.

 

[Guest 6801328]

Hey, I own The Lord of the Rings books, why do I have to pay to see the movie?!?! That Christopher Tolkien guy is evil and greedy.

 

[eyeheartawk]

So lets see if I got this right.

A company charges money for a product that we VOLUNTARILY purchase because we feel the value it adds to our games is worth the cost. That revenue pays the salaries of the workers and employees who create that product, so they can put food on the table for their families and pay their rents, mortgages, and bills.

Yet YOU, the entitled anti-capitalist, are the one being 'exploited' because they aren't providing the product of their labor to you for free? LOL.

And insert the usual faux intellectual rubbish about the 'evils' of 'consumerism', 'corporations', blah blah blah.

I mean this is the fundamental hypocrisy at the heart of Marx. He need to justify the fact that he was a failed loser philosopher who produced nothing of value. So he invented a philosophy that somehow convinced workers that if they worked for free, then everything they needed would also be 'free', and thus losers like him wouldn't have to work at all. I mean my six year old can spot the fundamental flaw with this reasoning.

No matter how hard you twist the math, or hide it with faux intellectual buzzwords, the product of 0 will always be 0. This is why Venezuelan people are starving to death, and why you are able to post on a gaming forum surrounded by the successful results of people being compensated for the product of their labor. In other words, capitalism is entirely the reason you have clothes to wear, food to eat, shelter over your head, a computer to post on, dice to roll, and a D&D game to play.

Show me on this doll where Marx touched you.

You seem triggered, bro.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Show me on this doll where Marx touched you.

You seem triggered, bro.

Show me on this doll where Hasbro touched you.

You seem triggered, bro.

 

[Parmandur]

You keep saying that Hasbro being ethical is an objective fact. You know what else is an objective fact? They engaged in a 13 year scheme to avoid paying taxes. They also benefited from heinous slave labor conditions in their production facilities. See up thread for the CNBC and Reuters links.

You have two cherry-picked stories that you found after some Googling to enforce your "point." I'm talking about the consistent conclusion of watchdog groups who are focused on raising awareness about corporate ethics.

At any rate, even if Hasbro was as nasty as TSR, it wouldn't change the point that charging fair prices for books and and other products is cool and reasonable.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Sorry what? Talk about taking what I said and blowing it way out of proportion.

No. You called anyone who downloads free PDFs of a book they don’t own a legal copy of “skum”. Calling petty thieves scum is gross, and is a sentiment shared by people who talk about shooting shoplifters.

 

[Morrus]

I’ve just issued two warnings — one for somebody who went on a political rant, the other for somebody who decided to insult them in response. Stay on topic, avoid politics, don’t insult each other. Thanks.

 

[Morrus]

No. You called anyone who downloads free PDFs of a book they don’t own a legal copy of “skum”. Calling petty thieves scum is gross, and is a sentiment shared by people who talk about shooting shoplifters.

Don’t support piracy on my site, please.

 

[Jester David]

This is all dancing around the easy and obvious solution that will satisfy all parties involved.


Clearly, the best way to move forward is for WotC to just suck it up and send electronic copies of books to anyone who can probe they purchased a rulebook. It doesn't cost WotC anything because we purchased a book, and PDFs are easy to generate in InDesign, which is used to layout the books anyway.

You just need to scan a receipt and email it to them and they will respond with a DMsGuild code that offers the book with a 100% discount.
Simple and fair.

The only teensy tiny problem is those rare people who haven't kept receipts for purchases for six years. Well, they can easily go to their FLGS or book store with a copy, explain their need, and get a replacement receipt printed out.
I can't imagine any reason a store would refuse this simple, harmless request.

The only complication now is those very rare people whose FLGS has closed in the intervening years. Sadly mine was a casualty of the Great Recession and closed in 2015. (RIP Gamer's Lair)
In that instance, it should be a simple matter to let people take photographs of them holding their book as proof and WotC will give them a free PDF copy.

I think we can all agree this is a fair and reasonable solution to the problem. And easy too. Everyone has a camera.

As an example, here's me holding the Player's Handbook. This took 10 seconds to capture:

Not hard at all. I can't see any reason why WotC shouldn't give me an ebook for that.

Why, would you look at that. Somehow my preorder of Theros arrived early.

Can I get an electronic book copy of that too, please?

There. Problem solved forever.