D&D General Hey, are we all cool with having to buy the same book twice, or what?

Who wants to carry around 100 pounds of books when I can carry a 4 lb laptop?

I solved that problem years ago, I either game at my house if I DM or I dont play, so whatever I need is available. I very rarely consult much besides 3 or 4 books so its not much of a problem anymore. For the record I prefer hard copies over digital and Id be hard pressed to consider buy a duplicate of a book I own in a different format.
 

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Went on for 18 pages and everyone on the planet is getting squirrely from quarantining for 2 months.
As much as I love that explanation, I don't think it's correct. The internet has always been this way. It might be worse now that the world is crazier, but I don't think it can be completely blamed on quarantine-fatigue.
 


The one thing that annoys me to no end - and that I feel should be somehow legislated into oblivion - is paying for a product but only then getting access to said product for as long as the company behind said product decides to allow or support it, after which access is removed or blocked.

If I pay to buy something (as opposed, say, to rent it) I naturally expect to own that thing for as long as I want to own it*. Never an issue with a physical thing I can touch such as a book or a shirt or a bicycle, but seemingly more and more often an issue with digital content that has no physical form.

* - thievery and suchlike notwithstanding, of course...
You probably don't read Software License Agreements / End User License Agreements do you? Or other legal docs that go along with digital content?

I don't disagree with you, mind. But I understand that when you purchase something, you may not purchase everything and complete unrestricted access to something. You "buy" a house or a piece of land, you usually don't get the water or mining rights for that piece of property. You "buy" a product at the store does not give you the right to reveres engineer and produce copies of it. You "buy" a book means you have the physical copy, but it doesn't mean you can reproduce or redistribute it. You "buy" a digital product your rights are limited too.

If it's important to you, then you should read the legal terms of what you are buying.

For instance, Roll20 has this (to me) very important part of it's Marketplace EULA;
2.1 You agree that Roll20 may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Marketplace (or any features within the Marketplace) to you or to users generally at Roll20’s sole discretion, without prior notice to you.
See also section 3.9 and 7.3 (c) for additional clauses that allow your "purchases" to be removed from your use/access.

And from the Terms of Service;
Orr Group reserves the right to revoke the authorization to view, download and print the Orr Group materials available via Roll20 at any time, and any such use shall be discontinued immediately upon notice from Orr Group.

All of which is completely reasonable, and probably necessary for a SaaS product. It would be crazy to guarantee perpetual access to something you "buy" from Roll20.

Of course, that's for a SaaS product. Fantasy Grounds has no such reasonable restrictions because as a client-server product they don't need it. Read there EULA.

To me the difference between these two architectures and their licensing was important to me. It was one of the top reasons I chose FG over Roll20. But it might be why you chose a printed book over one of the various digital formats.
 

So. . .

Would it be nice if WOTC sold PDFs of their titles and allowed D&D Beyond to stand against that PDF medium with it’s own merits? Of course! But I don’t fault WOTC for deciding against that to create a stronger environment for their licenses to operate in.

Such is life.

Unfettered capitalism stinks, but this is not an example of that.
 
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@Umbran , I didn't mean to challenge your authority, but understand how I did and the reason for the consequences for doing so. I really should read the forum rules!

S'okay. We are cool.

Mod note:

Using the "mod voice" for a moment so folks realize this isn't up for discussion here. I'd like to make this clear - the issue is not "offending", or making a moderator angry. If we took such things personally, or got angry every time someone talked back, or broke one of the rules, we'd not be able to do the job. The rules are there to keep discussion moving along such that folks find this a pleasant place to talk. Arguing over moderation in the middle of a thread works strongly against that purpose, so, we do not allow it. If you have questions, please take them to the Private Message system.


Thanks, all. We now return you to your discussion.
 

I'll buy paperbacks and then buy the ebook/audiobook again if I want to be able to read/listen to an old favorite on a road trip or long flight. I pay to stream anime as they come out and will still buy the DVD sometimes to support a show I really loved. I'll watch a movie in a theater and then buy the dvd, and I used to buy comics weekly and then still occasionally grab a trade paperback on a story I really enjoyed.

On the flipside, I dont feel bad about mooching off my brother's Amazon Prime account to watch TV , or borrowing a friends Volo's Guide to plan a session or refer to during the game. I borrow a lot of books from the library rather than buying them, and I feel a-okay about printing out paper copies of Magic: the Gathering cards I want to play with but are just too crazy expensive to justify purchasing.

I guess we all have our own opinions about where to draw the line, but as long as I feel I'm getting something valuable for my money, I dont mind voting with my wallet and double rewarding the creators of my favorite forms of entertainment.
 


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