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WotC Older D&D Books on DMs Guild Now Have A Disclaimer

If you go to any of the older WotC products on the Dungeon Master's Guild, they now have a new disclaimer very similar to that currently found at the start of Looney Tunes cartoons. We recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website, does not reflect the values of the Dungeon & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial and gender prejudice...

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If you go to any of the older WotC products on the Dungeon Master's Guild, they now have a new disclaimer very similar to that currently found at the start of Looney Tunes cartoons.

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We recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website, does not reflect the values of the Dungeon & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.


The wording is very similar to that found at the start of Looney Tunes cartoons.

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Edit: Wizards has put out a statement on Twitter (click through to the full thread)

 

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amuller33

Explorer
I've Killed orcs for years cuz I like killing orcs. Its what I did as a 9 year old its what I so as a 49 year old. Gaming has always been an escape for me, just a fun SAFE place to relax and be joyful. I think the one thing I owe back for 40 years of a great hobby is to provide a SAFE place for others to enjoy. Standards change Id never thought OA was racist 35 years ago, but if people do now.. who am I to argue? I want to promote a hobby that has meant so much to me to anyone without being exclusive, without being offensive or hurtful. If that means giving up on OA or on Orcs always being evil... OK. Its my duty to promote the hobby and LISTEN and not be offended. In return I hope people would listen to me. No one was trying to be racist 40 years ago, no one was promoting neo-colonialism . We were just having some fun. Finding a safe spot. I want that now for all players new and old. If that means shedding products and concepts from 4 decades ago ..OK. After all I can still orcs Friday night...right?
 

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Rygar

Explorer
Um, no.

First of all, I have seen many packages containing no nuts that contain the warning "Made in a factory which processes peanut oil" or other such variations. Not because the product itself contains nuts, but because it was made in the same factory, and some people are allergic enough that an accidental transfer could be problematic for them.

What WoTC disclaimer says is that some of the products contain depictions of racial, ethnic or culture prejudice that was common back in the day. This could be anything from an picture of drow with a specific style of haircut, to a specific cultural setting.

Those depictions are wrong, and not just wrong today, they were wrong back then too.


Does every work contain these? No.
Does every depiction of race, culture or ethnicity have prejudice? No.
But some do, and some of them are, and this is an acknowledgement of that fact.

Edit: You seem to have partially responded to this idea by saying that the analogy doesn't work because Peanuts can kill you, but stereotypes can't. My response falls under a different category altogether. I do not believe their needs to be a risk of hospitalization or death for there to be a need for warning labels.

I'm going to revise some of my earlier reactions. Not about them declaring creators and players wrong, that's exactly what they did. But as I analyze this more, I think this is an extremely interesting event.

First, some context:
  • Just a couple of weeks ago WOTC banned a number of old cards in Magic
  • Just a couple of weeks ago WOTC publicly stated that they're not going to work with one of their longest term artists anymore for the high crime of following conservatives on Twitter.
  • Just a couple of weeks ago WOTC changed races in D&D in response to someone on Twitter complaining that Orcs and Drow are racist
  • Just a couple of weeks ago WOTC announced they're going to update all future copies of previously printed 5th edition material to change them based on the above
So we can pretty clearly say that WOTC has absolutely no compunction about banning older material and changing existing material to effectively ban previously printed content.

We should also consider and remember, WOTC recently dropped a progressive relationship in their novel line with little explanation and no warning. The leading theory being that Netflix told them they couldn't/wouldn't invest in a Magic based show if they kept it, because Netflix thought it was potentially so controversial that their series would bomb (Note: This is a very unusual relationship based on what I've read).

So why is WOTC, who was more than happy to ban things at the drop of a hat based on Twitter just a couple of weeks ago now just putting warning labels on things?

I think the answers are in: The warning message, last night's WOTC statement, and this morning's changes.

Why wouldn't WOTC just ban Oriental Adventures and perhaps Al-Quadim? Why go nuclear on everything prior to 5th edition? I'm of the opinion that they really wanted to ban them. I suspect WOTC's staff went into the office Monday morning all ready to ban the books, sat down in a meeting, and came out of it really mad. I suspect the meeting went something along the lines of...

WOTC: We want to ban Oriental Adventures, (lists a few others) from the online store because someone on Twitter said they're racist.
Decision Maker: We're investing 50-100 million in a movie based on D&D. You're not going to go and ban those books, and creating a controversy because someone on Twitter said they're racist, it would take more than that. We need the Players from 1st and 3rd edition to buy movie tickets, we want this to be a franchise (or cinematic universe). We need Warner Bros to continue to work with us to make the movie. No controversy.
WOTC: We have to do something! Those books are racist!
Decision Maker: Do what Warner Bros did with Looney Toons, take their warning label, put it on the books. Warners won't get mad at that.

I strongly suspect that's why we have the verbatim Warner Bros label on the books. Those books aren't selling well enough to be a revenue stream they couldn't lose, so it had to be something else, and I'm pretty sure the WB warning label tells us what it was. But I'm also pretty confident that made WOTC really mad, they've no qualms about banning things, and I can't imagine that a WOTC that would drop a working relationship of decades because she followed some conservatives on Twitter would be happy with warning labels.

So I suspect WOTC decided they were going to be passive aggressive about the whole thing. The fact that the warning label isn't on 5th edition, that the called problematic a couple weeks ago, but on everything else reeks of someone throwing their toys out of the pram. The reasonable thing to do was to review the material and apply it on products that had issues, they didn't do that, they declared everything was wrong.

The statement last night is the next clue. They (paraphrased) told customers that they're not part of the community if they "Harass or bully" the person/people complaining on Twitter (Which, let's be honest, the interpretation of both of those words today is extremely loose). I can say with absolute certainty that Hasbro didn't sign off on that, Hasbro doesn't have any interest in getting into Twitter fights, and certainly doesn't want WOTC telling people not to be customers if they disagree with people on Twitter, which let's be honest here, that's the definition of "Harass or bully" that's going to get used like it does everywhere else today.

So why go to that length? Why make an express purpose of telling people that they're not "part of our community"? It only makes sense if WOTC was angry at the decision in the first place. Remember, WOTC had no problem with the way people treated their former artist (Who is coincidentally a married lesbian), but a random person on the internet warrants that message? They had to know someone was going to be on an unhappy call with Hasbro today about that when they did it, so it really only makes sense if someone was angry.

So the only real question is, who is the decision maker? The answer's in today's action. Today WOTC updated Oriental Adventures to put the warning label at the top and bottom, obviously in response to the person on Twitter who has been complaining. So they're clearly able to change those pages in a few hours time, and clearly in control of those pages, as they responded in less than a day to the person's continued complaints.

So that means that it's extremely unlikely WOTC got surprised by the update, and the fact that no announcement was made or hurriedly dropped means they didn't have it prepared. How could they not have it prepared? How could they not have just written up and dropped an announcement quickly?

The only way that happens is if the announcement now needs approval by the decision maker, it only happens if WOTC is no longer in full control. If WOTC was in full control, they could just post the message, or they could have someone in house write it and get a group to sign off on it in a few hours. It had to be going through someone else, and that person must not have considered it a priority. WOTC waited most of the day to make a statement, so they were waiting most of the day for someone to sign off on something. So they were left without an announcement, without an ability to make an announcement, and their only option was to use back channels like social media to say something.

So honestly, I'm pretty well convinced Hasbro's already taking over WOTC. I'm revising my opinion down to: WOTC will be very different by the end of 2020 at latest.

(Cue people claiming I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist)
 



They should start preemptively printing a similar disclaimer in all new D&D books, so that anyone who picks them up in 30 years know that they are based on outdated values.
I could see something like this.
This is a work of fiction for gaming purpose. We do not mean it to be racist, sexist, homophobe or any negative depiction of any existing or extinct people, ethnicity, race or gender. At this point in tme, it was not our intention to make anything but a harmless and fully inclusive product.
 

I could see something like this.
This is a work of fiction for gaming purpose. We do not mean it to be racist, sexist, homophobe or any negative depiction of any existing or extinct people, ethnicity, race or gender. At this point in tme, it was not our intention to make anything but a harmless and fully inclusive product.
This is actually a really nice thing to put in the intro to a product.
 

cfmcdonald

Explorer
My problem with this line of thinking, with worrying about "but what about in 6e when this is banned or 7e when that is banned" is that it is a cry for inaction.

The insidious thing is, that it doesn't even matter if something is actually wrong and needs fixed or not, with this line of thinking changing or banning anything no matter how harmful or how grotesque would need to be opposed.

<edit> Decided it's not wise to say anything about this.
 
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BookTenTiger

He / Him
I think I could get behind all art saying "hey we did our best for thistime, but it is a product of this time...

Maybe something like:

“If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
If you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.”
 

Mecheon

Sacabambaspis
Maybe some people really think that nothing should ever be changed or banned, but personally I just think the critique of Oriental Adventures as horribly racist is wrong, and that no action needs to be taken with respect to it. As far as I know this whole kerfuffle is about that one work (or two if you include the 3rd edition version).
I gotta ask, are you an affected person (IE: A person of east Asian descent?)

Because if not, I hardly think you are in a position to say if its racist or not. Because as the white-ass Australian I am, I look at OA and I go "Bloody -oath- this is some questionable stuff you've published here, mates." and flat-out disagree with your statement that it isn't racist. But, I'm not the affected people so I can't 100% say if its racist or not, just it don't look good in my eyes
 

DammitVictor

Trust the Fungus
Supporter
As far as OA goes, not every person from Asia has a problem with it. There are some people from Japan who think that Mr. Kwan is wrong in his views.

There's a definite trend amongst people who object to Oriental Adventures towards being Asian-American rather than native Asian... largely because the stereotypes that they are objecting to have a much greater effect on Asian-Americans living in America than upon Asians living in Asia.

Likewise, the Japanese don't tend to see a problem with clumsy Western aping of their cultural heritage... because cultural appropriation is the act of members of an occupying culture commercially exploiting the sacred culture of an occupied culture to produce pop culture. However we want to describe the historical reality of it, the Japanese do not generally view themselves as an "occupied culture": they consider Western appropriation of Japanese history and myth for commercial purposes as a good-spirited exchange between equals, an act of mutual irreverent respect that they can reciprocate with gleeful abandon.

Japanese people living in America, raised in America, don't (typically) feel like they're engaging with American culture on an even footing... and this puts them at odds with both their cousins and their neighbors when it comes to stereotyping and appropriation. It doesn't mean they're too sensitive, it means they're responding to different cultural pressures.

Likewise, I don't get offended when Japanese authors write pseudo-European fantasy even though I have European ancestry.

You might feel differently if you were a third-generation expat living in Japan and Japanese people treated you like you were a character from their pseudo-European fantasies.
 

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