D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[Imaculata]

No, but, again, Shadows of Innsmouth is pretty much on target for telling my children that they are abominations.

I had no idea The Shadow over Innsmouth was that awful, because I've never read it. I do know it reflects a lot of Lovecraft's repugnant ideas regarding interracial marriage.

 

[Wishbone]

Swap Lovecraft as an inspirational work with a work that engages with the subtext of cosmic horror in a way that doesn't endorse his views and calls them out for all to see.

Misha Green is adapting Lovecraft Country by Matt Ruff into a television series on HBO which is getting rave reviews. It also makes business sense if the show is a hit like when WotC capitalized on The Lord of the Rings movies or Game of Thrones when they dominated the zeitgeist.

 

[Azzy]

there’s a good portion of the world and even of developed countries that view homosexuality as immoral - at least on some level.

That doesn't mean that we should just blithely accept their bigotry or acquiesce to it.

 

[Azzy]

there’s a good portion of the world and even of developed countries that view homosexuality as immoral - at least on some level.

That doesn't mean we should just blithely accept or acquiesce to such bigotry.

 

[FrogReaver]

That doesn't mean that we should just blithely accept their bigotry or acquiesce to it.

When one has a genuine moral or faith based objection to something that is not bigotry or phobia.

and going back to my point, that alone should be enough to understand where people come from when they say “what about the children”.

 

[Umbran]

Forgive me for potentially moving the goal posts, but that doesn't really solve the issue I'm thinking of, which is amount of current media (and media that I especially enjoy, so this hits close for me) is inexorably tied to a huge bigot.

If, today, there was an author who was a huge bigot, you could just ignore their work (like, say, we can ignore F.A.T.A.L.).

But you cannot actually remove history. You can try to ignore or whitewash it, but you can't actually extract it. Authors of the past who have been influential have their threads throughout our culture. They are the foundation of culture, and you can't remove that, any more than you can remove the foundation of a large building and have it still stand.

So, your best bet is to actually own it. Pick it up, recognize the problems, and either re-contextualize them into assets (like Lovecraft Country does) or at least don't propagate them.

... but specific themes (the main one I'm thinking of is the theme of the universe not caring at all about you and your struggles, and how existentially terrifying that is)

Existential horror was hardly his invention. Heck, we build fires and come around them to tell stories and sing songs because the world out there is cold and dark and hostile and does not care about you. Pretty much every culture in a temperate climate (and some in more tropical areas) have a holiday somewhere around the winter solstice in which they gather in community, eat food and burn things for warmth and light against the darkness.

 

[Umbran]

When one has a genuine moral or faith based objection to something that is not bigotry or phobia.

This is an unsupported assertion that cannot be debated under the rules of this forum.

 

[Umbran]

I hope you are not hiding any personal bigotry...

Mod Note:

And I hope you are not hiding an attempt to cast apsersion on people so that their arguments are dismissed out of hand. The implication here is not appropriate. Don't do that again.

 

[FrogReaver]

This is an unsupported assertion that cannot be debated under the rules of this forum.

I like this comment. Can I use it when others bring up something applicable?

 

[Aldarc]

Mod Note:

And I hope you are not hiding an attempt to cast apsersion on people so that their arguments are dismissed out of hand. The implication here is not appropriate. Don't do that again.

The aspersions on the morality of LGBTQ+ people had already been cast.