D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[Maxperson]

Fair.

Or, say, by showing them the door from one's own property or business or social circle or message board, if they continue to demonstrate defense of racism, bigotry, and misogyny. Because they have no right to impose themselves in the privates spaces of those they hate. And those who have been historically oppressed shouldn't have to deal with it anymore.

If someone should do that, sure. I haven't seen anyone here defend those things, though.

 

[Cadence]

If someone should do that, sure. I haven't seen anyone here defend those things, though.

I'm guessing if anyone here had done it blatantly the mods would have nuked them pretty quickly.


Edit:misread it the first time.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm guessing if anyone here had done it blatantly the mods would have nuked them pretty quickly.


Edit:misread it the first time.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone has done it subtly, either.

Now I'm wondering what you said the first time! That edit has me curious.

 

[Mistwell]

I guess I'm unclear on your point here. Why did public intolerance only became a problem in the last 10 years?

I think it's that our prevailing cultural orthodoxy on the philosophical approach to intolerance changed in this past decade. In recent years, people have become fans of Karl Popper's 1945 treatise on the paradox of tolerance. Prior to that, the prevailing cultural consensus was the marketplace of ideas as advocated by philosophers such as John Stuart Mill and John Milton.

I am more of a Mill's and Milton fan than a Popper fan in approaching the topic.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

I think it's that our prevailing cultural orthodoxy on the philosophical approach to intolerance changed in this past decade. In recent years, people have become fans of Karl Popper's 1945 treatise on the paradox of tolerance. Prior to that, the prevailing cultural consensus was the marketplace of ideas as advocated by philosophers such as John Stuart Mill and John Milton.

For a reason, I might add.

It has been proven that challenging people's deeply held beliefs only causes those to grow stronger.

 

[DnD Warlord]

I am way behind but I will say I would like more 4E in 6e... the ability to attack with different stats, martial abilities that rival spells at every tier, and damage on a miss like half damage saves...

 

[DnD Warlord]

Sounds similar to SW SAGA. If well done, I could get behind that - but it wouldn't be D&D. Sounds fun, though.
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Imagine if every class got. Combat feats and non combat talents... you got a generic list then each class got its own list... cantrips (at will spells) can be either (chill touch is a combat feat but presdadigatation is a non combat talent)

 

[Maxperson]

For a reason, I might add.

It has been proven that challenging people's deeply held beliefs only causes those to grow stronger.

I wish people understood that. These bigoted groups have swelled in size, activity and strength in the last 10 years due to the switch in tactics.

 

[Mistwell]

For a reason, I might add.

It has been proven that challenging people's deeply held beliefs only causes those to grow stronger.

No, it has not "been proven" that we are unable to persuade people to change their minds about important topics of the day. It's often difficult to do, and even more difficult to do it with the impersonal medium of the internet, but science hasn't "proven" that persuasion is not possible.

But more on point, changing the minds of the speaker we disagree with is not the point of the marketplace of ideas. The marketplace of ideas is that the best opinion wins out with the audience at large - not with the person we're dissenting from. The goal of spreading good speech to counter bad speech is to persuade other listeners, not the person making the bad speech.

Williams Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow were not trying to persuade each other concerning their views on creation versus evolution. Ultimately, they were trying to persuade the public at large. That's the marketplace of ideas in action. And it does work.

 

[DnD Warlord]

Need I keep reminding people of this?

Barbarians are Melee Fighters With Big Dumb Super Modes. "Barbarian" is just the easiest and most on theme (medieval fantasy) name for that archetype.

Does it need to be?

I mean I refluffed barbarian as a Jedi like monk... rage became battle meditation