Planescape Planescape to languish in purgatory?

[dave2008]

Hey, new player here. The reason I dislike always-evil-orcs does not effect my attitude towards Dark Sun. I dislike always-evil-orcs due to it being completely and entirely setting dependent, while Dark Sun is a setting. What happens on Dark Sun doesn't effect my table, but having orcs always be evil and/or stupid did.

While I agree with the concept of it being setting dependent. The fact that D&D orcs are "evil" in the MM doesn't need to affect your table. I've used ambiguously aligned orcs and goblins since 1e and the orcs in the book always said "evil." It only affects your table if you let it, IMO.

 

[TheSword]

Woah... this is an argument that has been beaten to death, resurrected, rode into the dust and then beaten until collapse. Do we really want to bring it up again here!

 

[Zardnaar]

Woah... this is an argument that has been beaten to death, resurrected, rode into the dust and then beaten until collapse. Do we really want to bring it up again here!

So how about them there Warlords. Paladins should be lawful good.

 

[TheSword]

Lol

 

[twofalls]

Ahh, well maybe if they did release a Planescape campaign that was minable for nuggets for your own adventures maybe it might tempt you.

Maybe, the things that I object to have to do with the company bowing before the woke culture. I realize that the vast majority of younger folks will think me wrong to feel that way, however I'm a very conservative fellow and I recognize that the conservative mindset is in the minority of the country right now, so things like this will happen. I have so much D&D material at present that I couldn't possibly use it all before my time on this Earth ends, so when is enough enough anyhow? The world is for the young.

 

[twofalls]

Regarding the topic being old and well worn, the very first line I wrote in the OP asked if anyone had links to a previous discussion to avoid this being a trolling post. The fact that it has turned into a 9 page thread suggests to me that yeah, people do want to talk about it, but I think you were mostly just joking.

I've been on enworld for a long time, but haven't really posted a lot. Being in isolation has started to change that, so there are a lot of topics that I might bring up that are new to me, but very old hat to everyone else.

 

[Zardnaar]

I think some of the old planescape fans annoyed people when they insisted planescape lore took precedence over say FR lore or whatever.

Also shoehorned things like Darksun into the great wheel contradicting Darksun sources.

It was more due to TSR letting freelancers do whatever.

I think they well mostly fold PS into generic 5E planar lore. The lingo was bad enough back in the 90s. Berk.

 

[TheSword]

Regarding the topic being old and well worn, the very first line I wrote in the OP asked if anyone had links to a previous discussion to avoid this being a trolling post. The fact that it has turned into a 9 page thread suggests to me that yeah, people do want to talk about it, but I think you were mostly just joking.

I've been on enworld for a long time, but haven't really posted a lot. Being in isolation has started to change that, so there are a lot of topics that I might bring up that are new to me, but very old hat to everyone else.

I was referring specifically to the evil Orcs argument which believe me has been done to death thrice over and became extremely decisive. I see no issues discussing old settings.

I’m in my 40’s and have been playing D&D since I was 10. I don’t know if that qualifies me as old guard or new but I’ll say not everyone who approves of the changes is new to the game or young.

 

[twofalls]

I was referring specifically to the evil Orcs argument which believe me has been done to death thrice over and became extremely decisive. I see no issues discussing old settings.

I’m in my 40’s and have been playing D&D since I was 10. I don’t know if that qualifies me as old guard or new but I’ll say not everyone who approves of the changes is new to the game or young.

Actually I think 5e is the best version of D&D ever made bar none. I do not however like the way WotC is following the woke crowed on silly topics such as this, but I realize at this point that it's inevitable. I just opt out.

 

[Aldarc]

I think some of the old planescape fans annoyed people when they insisted planescape lore took precedence over say FR lore or whatever.

There have definitely been past discussions on ENWorld where people expressed annoyance with how Planescape essentially became THE meta-setting for D&D and how other settings should presume its meta-plots. This was admittedly not just an issue with Planescape, but also with the Manual of the Planes book, which Planescape adapted and magnified.