D&D 5E Fizban Is In The Wild -- With the Table of Contents!

Some people have received their copies of Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, and have posted photos (including the table of contents!) online!

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Aspect of Tiamat and Bahumut are Dragons, not Fiends or Celestials, so you can add spellcasting to either or shape change to Tiamat. Bahumut's stat block is way more interesting then Tiamats, who breath weapon is an amped up version if the Dracohydra, while Bahumut has both Radiant damage breath and a Breath that heals and raises those who have been dead for 1 hour or less. He can literally raise a battlefield or disaster full of people back to life. Coolest Dragon breath ever.

There are some alternate Regional and Lair actions after all, which is good because they can do some cool stuff and it allows you to change/add Regional Effects for Dragons who are different from the norm of their kind. Like for a red Dragon who is good maybe their Lair is under a Hollow spell from Bahumut and the local Beasts and Monstersities are born Half Dragons.

One cool thing to do is mix this will Shadow Dragons with Sworrowsworn in the area, so if you have say a Gold Shadow Dragon, you could have Half Gold Dragon Sorrowsworn.

It is disappointing that there are no Half Dragon stats for Dragon Turtles, Faerie Dragons, Shadow Dragons, Deep Dragons, or Moonstone Dragons.

Moonstone, Gem, and Deep Dragons all have really cool breath weapons, making Chromatic Dragons that much more boring by comparison.

 

[dave2008]

I'll complain about how they largely butcher the lore yet again, Saridor is all of a sudden dead? WTF? none of this makes sense with preexisting lore.

Saridor is not completely dead. However, I will remind you that this is 5e, there is no need to be tied down to preexisting lore. Let that be liberating.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Well the new one would because of the mythic trait, but if you gave the old one the mythic trait it would win.

I disagree, I think the older stat Tiamat would win, more attacks and discorporation is a more power version of being Mythic in a sense, Aspect of Tiamat is is straight up killable, The other Tiamat basically isn't without some absurd things happening first, you can only functional banish her for a time from materiality, but she always comes back and she isn't dead.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Saridor is not completely dead. However, I will remind you that this is 5e, there is no need to be tied down to preexisting lore. Let that be liberating.

It's not liberating, it just ends up none sense that isn't usable. I LIKE PREEXISTING LORE ITS THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING SETTINGS, if I want to home brew I create my own setting, it's that consistent narrative that makes it immersive!

The interconnecting pieces of lore literally IS the setting, without it, it's not a setting anymore.

 

[RoughCoronet0]

Just watched Frymini’s video on Draconic Gifts.

I love this so much, alternate rewards for slaying dragons or befriending and gaining the favor of a dragon. I’m already coming up with different scenarios for dragon encounters and my own ideas for Draconic Gifts to give to my players.

I’m so excited to use these!

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Pros

- Player Options, the return of 3.5e style Dragonborn (in the form of the Draconic Rebirth Gift), the spells and the fact that all of them can be taken by Sorcerers who usually get screwed by new spell lists in favor of wizards. The magic items are cool too.

-Aspect of Bahumut, Dracohydras, the Chosen of Dragonborn, Hoard Mimic, Coin Scarabs, Animated Breath, alternate Regional Effects and Lair Actions, the Mechanics of the Turtle Dragons, Deep Dragons, and Moon Dragons.

-Mentions of Tarkir, Council of Wyrms, and Theros.

-Lair Maps

-Deep Dragons have shape shifting back.

Cons

Messed up lore

-No Archfey Great Wyrm Moonstone Dragons, no Deep Dragon or Faerie Dragon Great Wyrms.

-They had the awful idea of wrecking the Dragon Pantheon.

-They uglied up the beautiful Purple Dragons. ☹
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[TwoSix]

Except Tiamat has a canon place in Eberron, as the Ovelord Daughter of Khyber.

I think the boundary between "daughter" and "manifestation" or "clone" is a bit tenuous when talking about interdimensional beings that created the universe.

Khyber could be the manifestation of the First World Tiamat, and the "Tiamat" that's the Overlord could simply be an echo of that power. The beauty of Eberron is that they never need to specify.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

This may have already been said, but there's a piece of art in the book with Laurana and Kitiara (of Dragonlance) duelling.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Also, it looks like the Steel/Song dragon sidebar essentially says "There are lots of rumors of creatures called steel, song, or weredragon, but these are probably just other one of the main dragon types." So the book kind of says that steel/song dragons don't actually exist, they're folklore.

 

[RavinRay]

Pink dragons were from Dragon, don't remember the issue, one of the April Fools ones. They have soap bubbles as their breath weapon

I've been a bit of a fan for a while of just going full ham and just bringing them back as not-Mizutsune from Monster Hunter

I hate it when the PC at home doesn't always connect to ENWorld while the one at work does (oh the irony) so I'm late in joining this thread. Anyway, I was involved in the Creature Catalog's Converting Dragons to 3E thread and contributed to the converted pink dragon, so it's listed there.

Also, did I miss something, but why does the ToC not list an Adult Dragon Turtle?