What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content

[Hussar]

No, but I've played with plenty of women over the years (as early as 1982) , and I've never heard any of the males insist on such a thing whether it was at the table or privately.

I take it that you've never had anyone insist on participating in a Satanic ritual at the table?

So, you think my insistence that Lovecraft be removed from the list of inspirational writers is equivalent to the lies and half-truths spread by those involved in the Satanic Panic?

If you don't, then why do you insist on comparing someone who thinks that, say, slavery, should maybe be taken off the table because it makes for a REALLY uncomfortable game when me, generic white dude, sits down at an Adventurers League table with five teenagers of various ethnicities whom I don't know and have never seen before to a group of people who deliberately lied and spread false information?

Are you claiming that anyone who thinks that, say, again, slavery, be taken off the table, is spreading lies and false information?

 

[cranberry]

So, you think my insistence that Lovecraft be removed from the list of inspirational writers is equivalent to the lies and half-truths spread by those involved in the Satanic Panic?

If you don't, then why do you insist on comparing someone who thinks that, say, slavery, should maybe be taken off the table because it makes for a REALLY uncomfortable game when me, generic white dude, sits down at an Adventurers League table with five teenagers of various ethnicities whom I don't know and have never seen before to a group of people who deliberately lied and spread false information?

Are you claiming that anyone who thinks that, say, again, slavery, be taken off the table, is spreading lies and false information?

No, my statement had nothing to do with slavery or Lovecraft. I was responding to another posters insistence that the inclusion sexualized content would lead to widespread sexual harassment.

 

[Hussar]

No, my statement had nothing to do with slavery. I was responding to another posters insistence that the inclusion sexualized content would lead to widespread sexual harassment.

Ok, then fair enough. Replace slavery in my quote with sexualized content. Here, I'll do it for you:

So, you think my insistence that Lovecraft be removed from the list of inspirational writers is equivalent to the lies and half-truths spread by those involved in the Satanic Panic?

If you don't, then why do you insist on comparing someone who thinks that, say, sexualized content, should maybe be taken off the table because it makes for a REALLY uncomfortable game when me, generic white dude, sits down at an Adventurers League table with five teenagers of various ethnicities whom I don't know and have never seen before to a group of people who deliberately lied and spread false information?

Are you claiming that anyone who thinks that, say, again, sexualized content, be taken off the table, is spreading lies and false information?

 

[MGibster]

I take it that you've never had anyone insist on participating in a Satanic ritual at the table?

There was no need for anyone to insist. We all understood why we had gathered at the witching hour in robes darker than midnight.

Are you claiming that anyone who thinks that, say, again, sexualized content, be taken off the table, is spreading lies and false information?

I wouldn't say that. But they remind me of the people who tried to boycott companies that advertised during Married with Children back in 1989. I might not want it in my game, but I'm not going to tell other people they shouldn't have it in their game.

 

[cranberry]

Ok, then fair enough. Replace slavery in my quote with sexualized content. Here, I'll do it for you:

So, you think my insistence that Lovecraft be removed from the list of inspirational writers is equivalent to the lies and half-truths spread by those involved in the Satanic Panic?

If you don't, then why do you insist on comparing someone who thinks that, say, sexualized content, should maybe be taken off the table because it makes for a REALLY uncomfortable game when me, generic white dude, sits down at an Adventurers League table with five teenagers of various ethnicities whom I don't know and have never seen before to a group of people who deliberately lied and spread false information?

Are you claiming that anyone who thinks that, say, again, sexualized content, be taken off the table, is spreading lies and false information?

Again, no.

My point had nothing to do with spreading lies. My point is about insisting that the inclusion of certain content will lead to specific results throughout an entire population.

Or in other words, it is wrong to make blanket claims.

blanket statement - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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[Micah Sweet]

Pepperoni (and red crayons) =/= having fun with the idea of treating people as property.

Granted. What does that have to do with the question of whether or not you should be allowed to sell a product that includes it?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, but I'm trying to get at what it would do to "fidelity". People keep handwaving things in generalities, and I want people to actually explain to me why these things are important to the feel of the Realms. If it was removed, minimized... what is lost? That's what I'm trying to get to. What does slavery add here?



The dog and its expression are self-explanatory.



No, because I think actually discussing different topics is way more useful than making up weird hypotheticals where there is no shared meanings and can be interpreted any given way. We can cover different topics easily and we should, because how can we talk about controversial content generally when things are often controversial for different reasons. Slavery is clearly where the topic came from in the first place, and we can hit other topics as necessary.



I have no doubt. I maintain my position.

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Still don't get the picture. Are you angry?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I take it you are not female and you never had to game with a bunch of guys who were convinced that all female characters should have to wear chainmail bikinis like in all the art.

Has that actually to you, or someone you know?

I'm sorry, sounds like a bad bunch of guys.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So, it is more important to you that some imaginary place maintains its fidelity (whatever the heck that means) than making real, life, living, breathing people feel welcome in the hobby?

Seriously?

Again, if the existence of these topics in setting material makes people feel unwelcome, by all means stop producing said material. I would just prefer new settings over changes to old material.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Still don't get the picture. Are you angry?

No, more meant to express bafflement of the "What did I just read?" variety.