WTF is "cold iron", and why's it so special?

[gatorized]

Obviously all things, material or immaterial, real or imaginary, are natural for all things have some sort of natures. Clearly a very useful word.

But if only we also had some sort of term for when something exists without the interventions of human technology...

The term you're looking for is "man-made". A subset of natural things.

 

[Maxperson]

Nothing occurs by itself. Every effect has a cause. You haven't explained why some of these events are natural and others aren't.

Sure, but that's not the criteria I was using. As soon as you can factually prove to me that some sort of lifeform designed the universe from the get go, I'll concede that everything is unnatural or everything is natural. Until then, simply because something in nature has a cause and effect doesn't make nuclear bombs natural. Stars occurs naturally and a nuclear bomb is most decidedly an unnatural creation. I mean if you guys were correct, the word unnatural would not even exist since literally nothing can be unnatural by your definition.

 

[gatorized]

It certainly is the criteria you were using when you listed certain events as "not occurring by themselves" and then stated that those events are not natural.

If "occurring by itself" is not your criteria and not important to your argument, why did you mention it?

 

[Maxperson]

It certainly is the criteria you were using when you listed certain events as "not occurring by themselves" and then stated that those events are not natural.

If "occurring by itself" is not your criteria and not important to your argument, why did you mention it?

Context is your friend. My context was clear from my examples.

 

[gatorized]

Yes, it was clear that you believe whether something occurs by itself is relevant to the discussion. Stop trying to deflect and admit that you're wrong.

 

[Maxperson]

Yes, it was clear that you believe whether something occurs by itself is relevant to the discussion. Stop trying to deflect and admit that you're wrong.

So you're arguing that the world has collectively wasted it's time for centuries on the word unnatural, because unnatural doesn't exist? How about you write to the dictionary folks and ask them to remove the word from the languages of the world and see how that goes. You can tell them how the word shouldn't exist because nothing is unnatural.

 

[gatorized]

I accept your concession.

 

[Maxperson]

I accept your concession.

Grow up man. I didn't evade, nor can I admit to being wrong when I'm not. Natural and unnatural exist regardless of your opinions and my arguments in this thread have been consistent.

 

[gatorized]

They don't exist regardless of your opinion. You did evade, you were wrong, and you haven't been consistent. Grow up.

 

[Umbran]

I accept your concession.

Grow up.

Mod Note:
Time to look at how you are behaving, and follow your own advice.

This is no longer about the subject matter, but about ego. You appear to have ceased to care about getting someone to understand your point, or coming to understand theirs. You have made this about winning an argument on the internet, and about raising yourself above others.

Mature folks can treat others with respect, even when they disagree. Since you are failing in that, you are done in this discussion.