D&D General Dark Sun as a Hopepunk Setting

[Micah Sweet]

No, 4e actually thought through the metaphysical conceits of the setting and made casting classes based on what made sense in that context.

4e made a considered choice. It's certainly not the only choice they could have made.

 

[TwoSix]

Torches and pitchforks.

How are bard magic and wizard magic in any way related? Bard magic is even directly portrayed as having a different source than Elminster's girlfriend.

Why does the God of Magic provide divine spells?

How do celestial patrons able to hand out arcane spells?

If we can accept 'primal' for druids and archer druids who sometimes have pets, dual wield and have skill points, but not the important part of the druid people care about, why can't there be other actual sources?

Why is every D&D attempt at categorizing a thing so riddled with confusing design choices and yet somehow we can't have proper keywording?

This should be its own thread, but I'm pretty sure I've never created a thread on this board and it would be a shame to break a streak.

Maybe someone can answer my continual pet peeve of "why do entirely dissimilar gods provide their champions 90% of the same spells?"

 

[Vaalingrade]

Want me to create one?

'Cause I have a categorization of my own...

Already on it, though not for 5e.

I'd love to hear your thoughts though.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Wasn't thinking through things and fixing casters 4e's big mistake though?

It's only a mistake if you change a familiar system into one with an assumed playstyle and expect all the franchise's fans to just go along with it. There was nothing "wrong" with the design direction itself.

 

[Steampunkette]

Already on it, though not for 5e.

I'd love to hear your thoughts though.

Tag me in the thread when you make it. We'll see what you think of my "Broken Plate" example.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Torches and pitchforks.

How are bard magic and wizard magic in any way related? Bard magic is even directly portrayed as having a different source than Elminster's girlfriend.

Why does the God of Magic provide divine spells?

How do celestial patrons able to hand out arcane spells?

If we can accept 'primal' for druids and archer druids who sometimes have pets, dual wield and have skill points, but not the important part of the druid people care about, why can't there be other actual sources?

Why is every D&D attempt at categorizing a thing so riddled with confusing design choices and yet somehow we can't have proper keywording?

This should be its own thread, but I'm pretty sure I've never created a thread on this board and it would be a shame to break a streak.

I have my answers to all those questions, and look forward to the new thread.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Maybe someone can answer my continual pet peeve of "why do entirely dissimilar gods provide their champions 90% of the same spells?"

My headcannon has always been that gods are in no way connected to their followers' non-domain powers and whatever behind all magic that checks the price of diamonds being used as spell components also assigns spells and delivers them to those who pray.

 

[Micah Sweet]

When I ran Dark Sun last year, templars were the closest thing to a "cleric/priest" analogue. The sorcerer-kings would do rituals that allowed templars to tap into the latent divine energy that still existed on the planet. They let the templars think that the sorcerer-king was the source of the powers, and templars who start to suspect the truth don't tend to live very long.

Templars were simultaneously courtiers, enforcers of the kings' mandates, but also healers and protectors, so they had a very complicated relationship with the populace.

Not canon, of course, but I find canon pretty meaningless compared to the fun of new takes.

I'm not interested in new takes that aren't explicitly labeled as re-boots. Re-makes rarely pass muster with me anyway.

 

[TwoSix]

I'm not interested in new takes that aren't explicitly labeled as re-boots. Re-makes rarely pass muster with me anyway.

But I did run it using Worlds Without Number. So not all bad?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Maybe someone can answer my continual pet peeve of "why do entirely dissimilar gods provide their champions 90% of the same spells?"

"Simplicity". ☹