D&D 5E Don't Throw 5e Away Because of Hasbro

[Distracted DM]

I appreciate the explanation. Sounds like someone in legal or marketing simply screwed up I guess I would call that a mistake not something worthy of ongoing condemnation.

Considering the way things played out, it was more likely a decision from on-high- not a screw-up. But nope, that's not an ongoing thing.

The thing that's worthy of ongoing condemnation is the planned takeover of a large portion of the ttrpg industry and creators' properties with it.

I don't think it's something to hold against WotC forever, but it is something to keep in mind for some folks (myself included) a couple years later. There have been other events, but the OGL debacle is a biggie.

 

[TheSword]

Just to clarify, what happened was that WotC sent out preview copies to channels with some loose restrictions, pretty standard permissive stuff.

Channels made their videos and posted them, then a day or so later WotC changed the rules to be much more restrictive and sent out copyright strikes. A few days later they retracted strikes, but the damage is done. Creators spend a long time making those videos according to the original guidelines, then have to blur 90% of the video if they don't want their channel struck as per the new guidelines.

It’s worth noting that in the original Sly Flourish video on the issue. He makes it clear that it wasn’t a copyright strike, it was just a nice request to ask politely if he could blur some sections out. He want threatened or attacked. If that kind of relationship amounts to an offensive act then I’m just not sure what people’s expectations are.

At some point the folks getting review copies decided that displaying page by page, readable quality images would be considered acceptable. The level of entitlement there is just off the charts. Can you imagine that happening in any other creative work. What’s next? Reviews of audio books that involve playing the entire audio book first? What about high res images of an artists painting? Let’s make sure a film or theatre review has a full length recording. After all if the show only runs for a week then we can’t have any FOMO.

What is more sinister is that at least some of the content creators must have known it was going to push boundaries of what was acceptable. There must have been a nagging voice in the back of their head saying am I going too far here? Is this respectful of someone else’s work? They either didn’t care or justified it to themselves as some kind of Robin Hood action. When you stop caring whether you harm the host you go from being a symbiote to a parasite.

 

[TheSword]

I doubt there is ongoing condemnation, certainly have not heard any, but the claim was that there is nothing at all to object to

It made it onto the list here of things WotC did to be offended by.

Yes. As per my previous post. It wasn’t even slightly objectionable.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yes. As per my previous post. It wasn’t even slightly objectionable.

In your opinion, obviously. You can't really speak for anyone else on something like this.

 

[Distracted DM]

It’s worth noting that in the original Sly Flourish video on the issue. He makes it clear that it wasn’t a copyright strike, it was just a nice request to ask politely if he could blur some sections out. He want threatened or attacked. If that kind of relationship amounts to an offensive act then I’m just not sure what people’s expectations are.

At some point the folks getting review copies decided that displaying page by page, readable quality images would be considered acceptable. The level of entitlement there is just off the charts. Can you imagine that happening in any other creative work. What’s next? Reviews of audio books that involve playing the entire audio book first? What about high res images of an artists painting? Let’s make sure a film or theatre review has a full length recording. After all if the show only runs for a week then we can’t have any FOMO.

What more sinister is that at least some of the content creators must have known it was going to push boundaries of what was acceptable. There must have been a nagging voice in the back of their head saying am I going too far here? Is this respectful of someone else’s work? They either didn’t care or justified it to themselves as some kind of Robin Hood action. When you stop caring whether you harm the host you go from being a symbiote to a parasite.

I didn't say it was @SlyFlourish 's channel that was hit with copyright strikes.

But wow, your whole spiel on the "sinister" actions of YouTube creators? I'm done.

 

[TheSword]

In your opinion, obviously. You can't really speak for anyone else on something like this.

I thought that was implied. As I said if someone wants to challenge the notion that a polite email is not objectionable then they are free to do so. Everyone is entitled to an opinion based on the facts as presented.

To be honest your biases against 5e and WotC are frequent and well documented.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Also, I didn't give away all my 5e books because it's owned by Hasbro.

I gave them away because it's just not an RPG I want to play anymore.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I thought that was implied. As I said if someone wants to challenge the notion that a polite email is not objectionable then they are free to do so. Everyone is entitled to an opinion based on the facts as presented.

To be honest your biases against 5e and WotC are frequent and well documented.

Right. Because I've always been upfront about my opinion on these matters. Not sure how that's relevant.

 

[TiQuinn]

It’s worth noting that in the original Sly Flourish video on the issue. He makes it clear that it wasn’t a copyright strike, it was just a nice request to ask politely if he could blur some sections out. He want threatened or attacked. If that kind of relationship amounts to an offensive act then I’m just not sure what people’s expectations are.

That's not what I heard in his description of what happened. So I guess we heard very different accounts.

 

[TheSword]

Right. Because I've always been upfront about my opinion on these matters. Not sure how that's relevant.

Because if WotC gave away a lollypop with every book purchased you’d complain they were encouraging diabetes.