For now, at least, I don't think anyone on this thread can really make credible claims about 4E being the "worst selling" edition (or not!).
Ergo, we cannot refute the unsubstantiated claim which means we must accept he unsubstantiated claim at face value, because that claim puts 4e in a bad light.
—
Not directed at Echohawk but as a thought experiement.
I’m going to make another unsubstantiated claim:
“5e had worse digital sales in its first month than 4e did in its first month.” Unless someone can prove me wrong, my claim must stand.
You think this is ridiculous and you would never admit my (frankly pretty ridiculous) claim? Well, why not? Seriously, why not? You accept the claim that 4e was the “worst selling” edition of D&D, absent any numbers
and even absent any coherent definition of terms.
So on what ground do you reject my claim?
“5e had worse digital sales in its first month than 4e did in its first month.”
Prove me wrong. I’ll wait.
Furthermore, even if it were the "worst-selling" edition, would that necessarily also mean that its sales were therefore very bad?
Yes, obviously. Anything less than absolute perfection means 4e was awful and must be ridiculed.
Your doctor analogy also doesn’t apply to D&D because it’s well known anyone can be a DM and you don’t need a medical degree to play it.
the point stands that even if one could objectively and unequivocally prove that 4e, by whatever metric, was the worst-selling edition of all time, that claim in isolation isn't nearly as strong as many folks wish it to be.
But Ezekiel, you’re missing the point. If you’re not first, you’re last, which makes 4e terrible and a bad game and those who like it are terrible people.
/S, obviously
You are aware unsubstantiated claims cannot be disproven, right?
I agree that this has gone on long enough though, so unless either side has something new there is no point in continuing
And yet you continue.
I thank you for finally citing a source, but by his own admission Riggs is relying entirely on hearsay, and not at all on any actual sales figures, in making that claim.
Riggs is not a good journalist / historian.
Mt advice (not that you asked) is to not have the argument. Ignore those assertions, and just talk about the good 4E design.
We’ve tried that, Reynard. We’ve tried that IN THIS THREAD. But you must understand: it is not enough that 4e exists and has its own weird little fan based analyzing its game design. 4e must not be left in peace in its dark corner. 4e must be aggressively rooted out, mocked, and destroyed at all times, under any circumstances.
