What are you reading in 2025?

Making my way through the Girl Genius graphic novels and enjoying them. I just finished volume 8 last night. Many, many characters show the same trait of being seemingly pleasant and normal then a panel of being cleverly ruthless as a punchline, but it is light fun and I enjoy the steam punk semi magical mad science, the Foglio art, the plot line, and for me the Jaegars always amuse. I have enjoyed the Foglios since the Phil & Dixie days of Dragon and it is nice to see them have fun in a long form story with a neat setting.
 

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I don't think it is an embarrassment argument.
I think it is an argument that the cover art implies that the story it represents won't be appealing.
That's exactly my point. I don't care if people like romance book or not. Read whatever you want and like.

If you want to get more boys reading the genre, you'll never do it by filling the shelves with books that don't capture the majority of boys interests. If you want to get more boys and men reading you need to cater to that section of the market just like you do with any other product.

Pushing romance style books on boys never has and never will capture more than a fraction of males interest. Continuing to ignore the typical books and styles that appeal to that crowd and you're just ensuring the continual decline of men and boys reading as they find something else to do with their time which hurts all of society.
 

Pushing romance style books on boys never has and never will capture more than a fraction of males interest.

Well, that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
To a large extent, gender-based preferences in literature are a cultural phenomenon, based on social gender norms, and are a learned preference, rather than an innate one.

But, we face a problem here in that among the "masculine" things we are teaching boys and men today is a bent against intellectual pursuits... like reading.
 


As to whether romance has taken over genre fiction, let's look at the Hugo Awards nominees, and what genres readers give them, as seen in Goodreads (bold mine)...

  • Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Science, Space opera, Hard science fiction
  • The Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley - Genres: Science fiction, Romance novel, Time Travel Fiction
  • Service Model by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Humor, Hard science fiction, Satire, Dark comedy, Dystopian Fiction, Science fiction comedy
  • Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Romantic fantasy, Romance novel, Humor, Dark fantasy, Adventure fiction, Fantasy comedy
  • A Sorceress Comes to Call by T. Kingfisher - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Fairy tale, Dark fantasy
  • The Tainted Cup by Robert Jackson Bennett - Genres: Mystery, Fantasy Fiction, crime fiction, High fantasy, Dark fantasy

So, out of six books considered to be at the top of the genre, only two of them would be considered to be at least in part "romance".

Clearly, then, non-romantasy books are being written, and are still being considered top of the genre. The complaint is then... what? That you actually have to look for a moment or two to find what you want? Never mind that a web search will sort the romance out for you anyway?
 

But, we face a problem here in that among the "masculine" things we are teaching boys and men today is a bent against intellectual pursuits... like reading.
No.

I see nothing that indicates that anyone is teaching that intellectual pursuits are not masculine. I see a lot of boys being turned off from education due to how they are treated in school and a lack of engagement with the material and methods being used to teach.

When my son was in 4th grade, he had a teacher that constantly pitted the boys and girls against each other. The girls quickly realized that they could get away with anything and "blame" it on the boys. My son came home every day talking about how much he hated school. He was getting B's in writing that year and I asked that same teacher how he could improve. Her answer, "he is getting B's, what more do you want?" I said "I'd like to see how he could improve and get an A." She could never answer my question. I had to go to the school principal and ask that she send his graded assignments home so that I could read them and work with him on improving his writing. He has gotten A's and high marks on state tests for writing ever since that point.

Schools are no longer rigorous in teaching and are generally lax in setting standards. His current middle school is the best in the county and it is a joke. They can turn assignments in late for full credit and there is no push for excellence.

He has had a some good English teachers in middle school that focus on reading. Those teachers made sure to provide a range of books that would be appealing to all types of readers and interests.

My son loves to read. There is absolutely no stigma with reading among his friends. He was a member of the Battle of the Books team for several years. He stopped doing it 2 years ago because he hated the books being selected for it and none of the selections appealed to him.

I do not see any effort to teach that reading or intellectual pursuits are not masculine. I do see is an approach to education that does not engage some boys along with serious issues plaguing school administration that does not support teachers and parents that do not support or engage with their kids education.

I also highly disagree with "learned" gender preferences. I have many female friends who dislike romantasy books too, for example.

Now, if you made an argument that many men were taught that reading is a childish activity, then I could see that as an argument. I found out later in life that my Dad loved to read but gave it up when I was born because a man had to give up fun to support his family. The feeling that my birth caused my father to give up something he loved made me feel terrible.

People are different and enjoy different styles of books. Older style sf&f is still profitable but does not find its way to the shelf and this is not because it does not sell well. It has more to do with it not having as high of margins as the romantasy/booktok stuff.

My son is lucky. He has access to a few thousand books at home with English major parents who introduce him to a variety of genre's and styles and we allow him to explore and discover what he enjoys.
 

I see nothing that indicates that anyone is teaching that intellectual pursuits are not masculine.

With respect, just today, on a quick trip to the grocery, I was listening to the radio. I heard a powerful person speaking on the desire to return manufacturing to the USA with the idea that, "sitting behind a desk makes you a woman", that lack of traditional, hands-on manufacturing jobs was "feminizing" the country.

There is a very strong thread of anti-intellectualism in modern views of masculinity, which positions a man's value as based in the work they do, and that proper work for men uses their bodies and physicality, rather than their minds.
 

As to whether romance has taken over genre fiction, let's look at the Hugo Awards nominees, and what genres readers give them, as seen in Goodreads (bold mine)...

  • Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Science, Space opera, Hard science fiction
  • The Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley - Genres: Science fiction, Romance novel, Time Travel Fiction
  • Service Model by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Humor, Hard science fiction, Satire, Dark comedy, Dystopian Fiction, Science fiction comedy
  • Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Romantic fantasy, Romance novel, Humor, Dark fantasy, Adventure fiction, Fantasy comedy
  • A Sorceress Comes to Call by T. Kingfisher - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Fairy tale, Dark fantasy
  • The Tainted Cup by Robert Jackson Bennett - Genres: Mystery, Fantasy Fiction, crime fiction, High fantasy, Dark fantasy

So, out of six books considered to be at the top of the genre, only two of them would be considered to be at least in part "romance".

Clearly, then, non-romantasy books are being written, and are still being considered top of the genre. The complaint is then... what? That you actually have to look for a moment or two to find what you want? Never mind that a web search will sort the romance out for you anyway?

I do not pay attention to Hugo awards. I discovered a long time ago that the award in no way matches the type of book I may enjoy.

I like to browse books at the bookstore. I love the experience of exploring the shelves, seeing a cover or title that interests me, reading the blurb and taking a chance. That browsing experience has bitten for the last few years. I have not left with a new book in 2 years. The covers are no longer compelling and the monotone nature of them just makes browsing a blur.

The online experience for book discovery is awful in comparison. I spend my time trying to look at websites of major publishers to see what may be coming out. I do not use tiktok, twitter, FB, etc so I do not get the "feeds" from those publishers.

My main discovery mode for books now is friends and coworkers or just adding authors to favorite lists and picking up their new books.
 


As to whether romance has taken over genre fiction, let's look at the Hugo Awards nominees, and what genres readers give them, as seen in Goodreads (bold mine)...

  • Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Science, Space opera, Hard science fiction
  • The Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley - Genres: Science fiction, Romance novel, Time Travel Fiction
  • Service Model by Adrian Tchaikovsky - Genres: Science fiction, Humor, Hard science fiction, Satire, Dark comedy, Dystopian Fiction, Science fiction comedy
  • Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Romantic fantasy, Romance novel, Humor, Dark fantasy, Adventure fiction, Fantasy comedy
  • A Sorceress Comes to Call by T. Kingfisher - Genres: Fantasy Fiction, Fairy tale, Dark fantasy
  • The Tainted Cup by Robert Jackson Bennett - Genres: Mystery, Fantasy Fiction, crime fiction, High fantasy, Dark fantasy

So, out of six books considered to be at the top of the genre, only two of them would be considered to be at least in part "romance".

Clearly, then, non-romantasy books are being written, and are still being considered top of the genre. The complaint is then... what? That you actually have to look for a moment or two to find what you want? Never mind that a web search will sort the romance out for you anyway?
I think it's pretty clear that the problem is 1/3rd of the books are Tchaikovsky, and that genre is just kinda meh for me. (I'm not sure why his characters almost all leave me cold, but they do. The spider was cool though.) ;)
 

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