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Basically, I'd like a better reason for the examples above not being ok than just "because it's illegal". Why are those situations illegal? We have the tech to control copies that are sent out to borrowers. Is there a reason we don't? And if so, why do we allow people to borrow books without paying for the privilege at all? It seems like the entire concept of lending libraries is anti-business.
The problem is that the law doesn't move at the speed of technology.

Lending libraries grew out of the "Doctrine of First Sale" which basically says once I have legally purchased a copy of a book (or other piece of art), I have the right to dispose of that copy in any way I please (except making additional copies). I could lend it to a friend. I could sell it to someone else. I could tear out all the pages and paste them back into the binding in reverse order. I could used a sharpie to redact every third word.

As I mentioned above, Book Publishers weren't a fan of this because it meant they competed against themselves... a book I publish today competes not just with the books others publish today, but also with the book I published last month.

With physical copies, it was impossible to do away with the "Doctrine of First Sale" but the rise of digital equipment means that every time you arrange bits on the storage area of a device, you have technically created a "new copy" - every time you arrange bits in the RAM area of a device, you have technically created a "new copy" - every time you send instructions to a display to turn LEDs off and on you have created a "new copy."

So publishing companies got their lawyers together and used this quirk of how electronics work to create "License Agreements" based on Copyright Law that was created when books meant "physically printed matter." Rather than update Copyright Law to match technology, lawmakers decided (or were lobbied) to let the publishing companies essentially write their own rules ("License Agreements").

I could keep going but that's the basics. Lending libraries were not "anti-business" when founded and everything was physical. Businesses' goals changed as tech advanced and now libraries are considered anti-business, but I would argue that's more about how business has changed goals than libraries have changed goals.
 

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Welcome to the intellectual property debate of the past 100+ years, something that you've just stated has never interested you. It's a very complex subject with a lot at play, and many stakeholders with wildly different objectives involved.
From what you're saying, it seems to me that the objective of most people who're not a direct consumer of a given product (and maybe even them) is "make as much money as we possibly can, by any legal means (including trying to change what's legal), indefinitely. Anyone who believes differently is apparently eaten by those that do. And the rest of us in practice just have to suck it up. Very disappointing.
 

The problem is that the law doesn't move at the speed of technology.

Lending libraries grew out of the "Doctrine of First Sale" which basically says once I have legally purchased a copy of a book (or other piece of art), I have the right to dispose of that copy in any way I please (except making additional copies). I could lend it to a friend. I could sell it to someone else. I could tear out all the pages and paste them back into the binding in reverse order. I could used a sharpie to redact every third word.

As I mentioned above, Book Publishers weren't a fan of this because it meant they competed against themselves... a book I publish today competes not just with the books others publish today, but also with the book I published last month.

With physical copies, it was impossible to do away with the "Doctrine of First Sale" but the rise of digital equipment means that every time you arrange bits on the storage area of a device, you have technically created a "new copy" - every time you arrange bits in the RAM area of a device, you have technically created a "new copy" - every time you send instructions to a display to turn LEDs off and on you have created a "new copy."

So publishing companies got their lawyers together and used this quirk of how electronics work to create "License Agreements" based on Copyright Law that was created when books meant "physically printed matter." Rather than update Copyright Law to match technology, lawmakers decided (or were lobbied) to let the publishing companies essentially write their own rules ("License Agreements").

I could keep going but that's the basics. Lending libraries were not "anti-business" when founded and everything was physical. Businesses' goals changed as tech advanced and now libraries are considered anti-business, but I would argue that's more about how business has changed goals than libraries have changed goals.
What a terrible system. Sounds like the answer to my question is that it's illegal because big business can basically do whatever they want, make it legal, and we all have to just take it.
 
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Welcome to the intellectual property debate of the past 100+ years, something that you've just stated has never interested you. It's a very complex subject with a lot at play, and many stakeholders with wildly different objectives involved.
Seems like there's no debate if no one can stop business from doing what they want.
 

From what you're saying, it seems to me that the objective of most people who're not a direct consumer of a given product (and maybe even them) is "make as much money as we possibly can, by any legal means (including trying to change what's legal), indefinitely. Anyone who believes differently is apparently eaten by those that do. And the rest of us in practice just have to suck it up. Very disappointing.
That’s an uncharitable reading. As uncharitable as me saying that your objective is that people are entitled the fruit of my labour with no compensation to me. I don’t see any value in framing the situation in these hyperbolic extremes. All it does is create division. Publishers aren’t all Lex Luthor—most of them are small outfits who need to put food on the table just like you do.
 


Not according to what I'm being told here. The licensing model being the "holy grail" of business is not about putting food on the table. It's about maximizing profit by artificially creating scarcity.
 

Don’t be ridiculous.
I don't think it's ridiculous. I was just told that big business has been allowed to get laws changed to favor their goals of maximizing profit. How is that not them doing what they want? When does it go the other way, if a debate with more than one side has any practical value in this situation?
 

I don't think it's ridiculous. I was just told that big business has been allowed to get laws changed to favor their goals of maximizing profit. How is that not them doing what they want? When does it go the other way, if a debate with more than one side has any practical value in this situation?
If you want to think you live in some dystopian Shadowrun society governed by a secret cabal of book publishers of all things, go right ahead. I don’t have time for this nonsense.
 

Our school librarians are the copyright police, and you don't wanna mess with them! This is not because they are corporate shills, but because they don't want us to get sued.
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