D&D 5E (2024) How I would do 6E.

[Sorinth]

only way to make dnd without multiclassing is to make classless system, which essentially 4E was.

and you need some numbers to describe that you have gotten better with levels
in weapon attacks it means better attack roll, better damage roll, more attacks, more attack riders.
preferably all 4 of those.

The complaint was about dipping not multiclassing. They could prevent dipping by forcing multiclassers to keep their levels equal, or even go back to their roots of XP leveling getting split between the multiclasses.

There's enough of a legacy for multiclassing that it's probably a sacred cow, but they could certainly make it very different to what it is today of almost complete freedom.

 

[HatWearingFool]

Between Draw Steel, Daggerheart, Shadowdark, Nimble, and 5.0, I really question if a 6e is needed at all.

Some people will only play D&D, so everyone wants their system of choice reskinned as D&D

I've often said before almost any of these systems would be the market leader if they were just labelled D&D. That's the power it has.

 

[Zardnaar]

Because the DC user is extremely favored over the roller

1) the DC user always adds their Proficiency modifiers​

The wizard always ads their Proficiency to their spell DC.

The fighter is unlikely to add their Proficiency modifiers to their Wisdom save.

So the DC user had a +2 to +6 favoritism on the roll from the start.

2) the DC user always adds their best Ability score modifiers​

The wizard always adds their Intelligence modifier to their spell DC.

The fighter always to add their Wisdom modifier modifiers to their Wisdom save.

Standard array is 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8. Or you can roll 4d6d1. Or you can buy up to 15. Then you add a +1 or +2.

The monster will have their DC based on their best score for a Bonus of +2 to +10.

The wizard always choose a high Intelligence for a starting modifie of +2 or +3. And it will grow to +5 or 6.

The fighter is likely to pick Wisdom as their 3rd or lower best score. So its a +1 and almost never grows.

So its a +1 vs anything from a +2 ro +6. Maybe a +10.

Altogether the DC user has a DC of 12 to 20+. Whereas the roller is rolling anything from -1 to +10.

Oops. Forgot.

3) the DC user always chooses the targeted save.​

Not using Con or Fort saves vs big monsters.

So really the DC user has a DC of 12 to 20+. Whereas the roller is rolling anything from -1 to +3.

Yeah buddy. Thats bad.

Now with abilty score.

The fighters 13 Wisdom is a +3 vs a

Mage Apprentice's Intelligence of 16 so DC 16.
Mages Intelligence of 17 so DC 17.
Archmage's Intelligence of 20 so DC 20.

Now you gotta chance.

This.

Best ability and proficiency vs tertiary stat at best often no proficiency.

Its not 3.5 levels of bad but flanking 50%-75% is common enough.

 

[Horwath]

The complaint was about dipping not multiclassing. They could prevent dipping by forcing multiclassers to keep their levels equal, or even go back to their roots of XP leveling getting split between the multiclasses.

There's enough of a legacy for multiclassing that it's probably a sacred cow, but they could certainly make it very different to what it is today of almost complete freedom.

even split sucks completely

splitting XP between 2 classes is a good idea?
how much would you need to gain 1st level with the 2nd class? same as XP for 2nd level for a 1st class
so a 5/5 split would be 5th level XP worth for 1st class and 6th level worth of XP for a second class?

that would be 6,5k + 14k XP, total of 20,5k, that is not enough for 7th level in a single class?

 

[Horwath]

This.

Best ability and proficiency vs tertiary stat at best often no proficiency.

Its not 3.5 levels of bad but flanking 50%-75% is common enough.

working as intended, when you cast your spell, you want to make your spell slot worth, and Action that you used.


the more this debate is going on, the more I think that there should not be any saves vs spells. it works or it does not.

IE: hold person, you are affected for 5 rounds, minus your Wis bonus. So with 20 wisdom, you are immune, with 8 wisdom, you are affected for 6 rounds. or you can have a minimum duration of 1 round. So you have your Action worth.

"saves" proficiency can increase your effective attribute by 1 or 2 points.

 

[Zardnaar]

i mean, DnD's magic design has kind of created a system where you only really need a small handful of offensive spells to get you through all your combat situations and utility spells are so reliably efficient you don't actually need to dedicate casting mods to them like you do attacking spells, so you can just go all in on buffing your few damage spells and fill the rest of your spell list with utility and get the best of both, so no, i'd be drawing a line and say your either a damage caster or a utility one, pick a lane, because otherwise it just all ends up with casters being overpowered masters of all.

I think i narrowed offensive spells down to 2 minimum i would want. Might go to a third of you had to.

 

[Scribe]

Some people will only play D&D, so everyone wants their system of choice reskinned as D&D

I've often said before almost any of these systems would be the market leader if they were just labelled D&D. That's the power it has.

Yeah its the Kleenex/QTip/Default on Brand Name alone.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Step 1: Get Kelsey Dionne to create it.
Step 2: Profit

 

[Sorinth]

even split sucks completely

splitting XP between 2 classes is a good idea?
how much would you need to gain 1st level with the 2nd class? same as XP for 2nd level for a 1st class
so a 5/5 split would be 5th level XP worth for 1st class and 6th level worth of XP for a second class?

that would be 6,5k + 14k XP, total of 20,5k, that is not enough for 7th level in a single class?

Those are just what they did in previous versions of D&D. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant to the point, the point is there's plenty of things they could do that isn't the 5e version of multiclassing.

 

[Zardnaar]

4E was not classless at all. The opposite. Classes where really strong, stronger than in 5E

Each class had their own spell list
Each class had their own feats


Also damage roll in 5E does not even profit from proficiency. If you just have stat increments, you dont need proficiency at all, if we just use stat modifier and 2 stat modifier go up every 4 levels, we have the same effect as proficiency.

A lot if classed were weaker than 5E. The long drawn out combat was indicative of this.

They may be more interesting based on ones preference.

Claiming 4E isnt class based isnt fair though.