Moya, ‘the World’s First Biomimetic Robot’ Emulates Human Features Down to Body Temperature

Did they exist before or after widespread use of UAVs?

Imagine if we stopped the development of the car before we had all the laws (some of which are rewritten often) and safety features put in place.

EDIT: Or the computer
So, to be clear, you think we should allow for the widespread use of androids indistinguishable from humans BEFORE we try and regulate the technology?
 

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As I said at the beginning...Assassination Droids!!!!



Like the Imperium of Man!

Actually, being more serious on the topic...

I can think of several real reasons to have Robots developing in the direction of Moya.

#1 - As so many in the thread have already pointed out, it could be utilized for certain purposes. However, I think it's more than just that type of self-indulgement purpose of exploitation. Have you seen Serenity (Firefly Movie). In it you have an isolated individual who's only real comfort (and who they consider as a real person) is their humanlike Robot. In today's society there is a growing number of people that will not find a companion and many that don't have a friend. Even if it's a Robot there are those that this may actually help them with companionship, friendship and having someone (or something) there that they can have to talk to and simply be around.

#2 - As ugly as it could be, unless we could prove that Robots with AI become self aware (in which case, in this type of instance we may have a SkyNet or Geth (Mass Effect) situation), I expect we would use them as slaves. There is a segment of humanity that, in all it's ugly truth, wants to have a lower class that they can command and boss around. They don't want some "robot" that doesn't look human, but something that actually is human (or humanlike in appearance). They would use these for all our menial jobs, all the servant (housekeeping) jobs, etc.

They want something that would look like us, but that does the work.

#3 - Just as sinister, once you buy a robot (see slavery in #2) you only have to pay for upkeep. You don't have to pay it. We already use robots in factories (that don't look human) but people want to see a person if they go into an office. If we could replace those hospitality workers (for example, restuarants), those cashiers (and I think Amazon already tried something like this with automatic checkout, others are trying something similar with self-checkout but would prefer something where people cannot sneakily shoplift past the cameras), and maybe even doctors and nurses if the AI gets advanced enough with robots a bunch of rich people would be very happy with that result.

I can think of a lot of scenarios where people would prefer a Robot that looks like them to something that doesn't.

I still remember the incredulity and slight discomfort I felt when I encountered an AI McDonalds Drive-thru taking my order. I'm kind of thankful that it was just a voice from a box and that they didnt have a Ronald robot dispensing the burgers and coke.

Robot companions for the lonely isnt a good reason either as it fails to address the causes of social isolation and potential mental health issues of having a relationship with a object - even if that object is pretty, warm and can whisper sweet nothings.
 

Did they exist before or after widespread use of UAVs?

Imagine if we stopped the development of the car before we had all the laws (some of which are rewritten often) and safety features put in place.

EDIT: Or the computer
nobody is advocating stopping development of robots though, thats a straw robot.

What is being mooted is setting guiderails so that pursuit of human-passing robots is controlled. If designers want to build units that look like R2D2 or CP3O then go for it, but do we need androids that are indistinguishable from humans, right down to their body temperature, scent and body lubricants?
 


I can think of medical uses. Human like body temperature could mean warm hands. The robot checks your pulse with a cold hand might cause your heart to race. A more human appearance can put a patient at ease. How about feeding time in a nursery? Body warmth for the baby is important. A robot can stay consistent with care no matter how long it works. A nurse gets tired and burned out, and will be more likely to make mistakes.

I hate when people assign sinister motives when there are none evident. Don't make laws assuming bad will happen. Humans murdered each other for 10's of thousands of years before there were laws against it. Now people want to create laws to prevent things from happening before they happen. The topics of girls sports and bathrooms come to mind. It's hysteria and madness to let the fear of the unknown guide you
 

nobody is advocating stopping development of robots though, thats a straw robot.

What is being mooted is setting guiderails so that pursuit of human-passing robots is controlled. If designers want to build units that look like R2D2 or CP3O then go for it, but do we need androids that are indistinguishable from humans, right down to their body temperature, scent and body lubricants?
okay, then Did adobe stop and wait for laws about making illicite pics before rolling out their popular software?

Humans in general wait till AFTER tech comes along and changes things, there's a reason why the phrase hindsight is 20/20 exist to this very day. Or we make it up as we go along.

There's the worst case,middle case and best case. And as far as i can tell humanity tends to end up in the middle.
 

I think I might want to add one caveat to what I said. Giving the robot a child like appearance could have more limited value. There could be a need for some regulation there, but even then I'm hesitant to call for it preemptively.
 

I can think of medical uses. Human like body temperature could mean warm hands. The robot checks your pulse with a cold hand might cause your heart to race. A more human appearance can put a patient at ease. How about feeding time in a nursery? Body warmth for the baby is important. A robot can stay consistent with care no matter how long it works. A nurse gets tired and burned out, and will be more likely to make mistakes.
I really meant any internal heating to match and maintain 37C, which is really a lot of effort to go to for medical devices.

Generally, soft plastics at something resembling human skin/flesh consistency will warm up to and retain room temperature (I mostly know about this from various dummies used in medical and first aid training like resuscitation dummies or those used to practice taking blood). So they’ll be a comfortable temperature for taking blood or handling people unless you keep your robot in the freezer for some reason, so they don’t need internal heating for that. So no, there’s only one reason to internally warm a robot to 37C, sadly.
 

I really meant any internal heating to match and maintain 37C, which is really a lot of effort to go to for medical devices.

Generally, soft plastics at something resembling human skin/flesh consistency will warm up to and retain room temperature (I mostly know about this from various dummies used in medical and first aid training like resuscitation dummies or those used to practice taking blood). So they’ll be a comfortable temperature for taking blood or handling people unless you keep your robot in the freezer for some reason, so they don’t need internal heating for that. So no, there’s only one reason to internally warm a robot to 37C, sadly.
so you disagree with the line "Body temperature may not seem that important, but studies have shown that we gauge temperature through touch to relate to others and feel kinship"

I'll also point out that the article says nothing about internal temperature and that people are jumping the gun to the gutter because it's the internet.
 

so you disagree with the line "Body temperature may not seem that important, but studies have shown that we gauge temperature through touch to relate to others and feel kinship"

I'll also point out that the article says nothing about internal temperature and that people are jumping the gun to the gutter because it's the internet.
No, it has to mean internal temperature (and in fact the article says a human core temperature of 32-6C, which is a bit low but I guess Moya isn’t going to get hypothermia). If it means human surface temperature, that’s not an achievement, that’s basically what it would be normally depending on the materials. And of course temperature - or at least not being cold - is important for medical devices, but it’s not that important.

Our human body temperature is mainly a factor of circulation, in that our core temperature runs at about 37C (which is mainly important for brain function) thanks to our cellular metabolism and we then circulate that temperature to our peripheries via blood (and to a lesser degree, lymph). Our peripheral temperatures (fingertips etc.) tend to run a lot lower, somewhere around 20-25C, which is why room temperature (the temperature that’s comfortable for most humans) is around that.

A robot hand made of flesh-like plastics stored at room temperature might feel mildly cool initially (about as much as someone who has slightly cold hands) but then would warm up as they pick up on your body temperature as they hold your arm to take blood and so on. There’s no need for any heating element. Why is there a heating element? That’s an exercise for the reader. Maybe it’s designed to pass as human on infrared scans.
 

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