AI/LLMs Where is the "Ideas Guy Revolution" of Creativity and Productivity?

doctorbadwolf · Tuesday at 11:40 PM

SableWyvern said:
Again, I ask: outside of sales pitches, where is this talk?

I have never seen a discussion of AI wherein at least one person is strongly criticising it that doesn't also heavily feature people claiming that AI lowers or removes barriers to entry and allows people who have great ideas but can't draw or whatever to execute those ideas. Literally in hundreds of debates, i have never seen an exception. It is always claimed by someone.

The Firebird · Tuesday at 11:46 PM

doctorbadwolf said:
I have never seen a discussion of AI wherein at least one person is strongly criticising it that doesn't also heavily feature people claiming that AI lowers or removes barriers to entry and allows people who have great ideas but can't draw or whatever to execute those ideas. Literally in hundreds of debates, i have never seen an exception. It is always claimed by someone.

There is a big difference between "reducing barriers to entry and helping execution" and "writing the next Infinite Jest"

doctorbadwolf · Wednesday at 12:04 AM

The Firebird said:
There is a big difference between "reducing barriers to entry and helping execution" and "writing the next Infinite Jest"

OP didnt say that people claiming that.

The Firebird · Wednesday at 12:09 AM

doctorbadwolf said:
OP didnt say that people claiming that.

aiouh said:
AI creators had the technological capacity to crank out 10^12 copies of Infinite Jest at this point.

Yet, where are those magnum opii? Where is the big AI american novel?

You lost me.

doctorbadwolf · Wednesday at 12:21 AM

The Firebird said:
You lost me.

Then reread the full OP?

They said that the tech has the capacity to output that many copies of a great work, among other things.

The actual thrust of the post is that people claim that ai will bring more people into creative work by breaking down barriers, and then asks "if that is true, why are these people with good ideas but no "skill" or whatever not putting out anything great?

Bill Zebub · Wednesday at 12:32 AM

The Firebird said:
I don't think this creative potential exists. AI augments people's creativity in a similar (but not identical) way to random tables. It isn't world changing. It is better in that it is easier to access and more specifically calibrated to your world, but worse in that the default outputs are going to be generic. That seems bad for creativity, unless used in a specific way.

Likewise, I don't think you can make a great novel because a novel isn't about technical skill. It needs to speak to being human which AI can't do.

To build on that (that is, not arguing with you) I keep seeing two claims:

Everything AI does is crap and it always will be.
Oh no! AI is going to take all our jobs!

I don't see how both of those things can be true, unless most people don't care about quality, which I don't believe.

Barner Cobblewood · Wednesday at 12:38 AM

Bill Zebub said:
To build on that (that is, not arguing with you) I keep seeing two claims:

Everything AI does is crap and it always will be.

Oh no! AI is going to take all our jobs!

I don't see how both of those things can be true, unless most people don't care about quality, which I don't believe.

It's not about the most people, it's about the most powerful people, and all that is required is that they don't care about people. Quality is not part of the calculus. The question is, "Do the most powerful people care about people?" This obviously varies in different places. Looking forward to an evidence-based answer, or rather not looking forward to the answer.

Bill Zebub · Wednesday at 1:25 AM

Barner Cobblewood said:
It's not about the most people, it's about the most powerful people, and all that is required is that they don't care about people. Quality is not part of the calculus. The question is, "Do the most powerful people care about people?" This obviously varies in different places.

I...have no idea what you mean by any of this, or why it's a response to my post.

Barner Cobblewood said:
Looking forward to an evidence-based answer, or rather not looking forward to the answer.

Kind of funny, offering an evidence-free thesis, and then ~~demanding~~ expecting an evidence-based answer.

The Firebird · Wednesday at 2:25 AM

doctorbadwolf said:
Then reread the full OP?

They said that the tech has the capacity to output that many copies of a great work, among other things.

The actual thrust of the post is that people claim that ai will bring more people into creative work by breaking down barriers, and then asks "if that is true, why are these people with good ideas but no "skill" or whatever not putting out anything great?

Because the types of barriers AI removes are not the ones preventing an author from writing infinite jest...

The Firebird · Wednesday at 2:30 AM

Bill Zebub said:
To build on that (that is, not arguing with you) I keep seeing two claims:

Everything AI does is crap and it always will be.

Oh no! AI is going to take all our jobs!

I don't see how both of those things can be true, unless most people don't care about quality, which I don't believe.

Not to be overly cynical, but one solution is that many things people do is also crap