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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5691493" data-attributes="member: 82106">Sure, but if I want to do something like this as a run-in to a 4e campaign then I don't want another set of rules, I want something where the PCs are compatible with their 1st level selves and the mechanics feel like 4e mechanics.I also think you're kind of selling it short. Using mostly minions as opponents with maybe a level 1 monster tossed in here or there, usually with some way the PCs can defeat it besides just making attacks, and it actually works out pretty well. The PCs start out with fairly low hit points, but not that bad, they can reliably survive a hit or two. Minions go down in one shot, and they have a decent attack bonus, so that's not a big issue.Compare these characters to level 1 2e PCs. The comparison isn't bad. The 2e characters MAY be able to take a hit and stay up, most monsters go down in 1 or maybe 2 attacks, and a fight is pretty deadly and problematic, but usually survivable. The 4e 0 levels actually have it a bit better in some respects.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5691493, member: 82106"] Sure, but if I want to do something like this as a run-in to a 4e campaign then I don't want another set of rules, I want something where the PCs are compatible with their 1st level selves and the mechanics feel like 4e mechanics. I also think you're kind of selling it short. Using mostly minions as opponents with maybe a level 1 monster tossed in here or there, usually with some way the PCs can defeat it besides just making attacks, and it actually works out pretty well. The PCs start out with fairly low hit points, but not that bad, they can reliably survive a hit or two. Minions go down in one shot, and they have a decent attack bonus, so that's not a big issue. Compare these characters to level 1 2e PCs. The comparison isn't bad. The 2e characters MAY be able to take a hit and stay up, most monsters go down in 1 or maybe 2 attacks, and a fight is pretty deadly and problematic, but usually survivable. The 4e 0 levels actually have it a bit better in some respects. [/QUOTE]

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