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07/29/2013 - Legends & Lore It’s Mathemagical!
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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6163713" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>That was also possibly one of my least favourite features of 4e. </p><p></p><p>I hate it with a passion when this is how skills work, that a high level PC that has never ever bothered climbing, using diplomacy or blacksmithing, is automatically better than a lower level PC that has been investing and doing it since day 1.</p><p></p><p>Oddly enough, it doesn't bother me that much when applied to attack tho... A Wizard with same BAB as a Fighter... yes it does feel odd, but still the Wizard is going to have lower Strength and swing a staff, and has no special maneuvers to use, so the Fighter doesn't feel penalized and the Wizard can occasionally contribute to the fight when spells-sparing. I am not sure, but I can accept this for attacks. After all, attacking is always pretty much a yes/no check.</p><p></p><p>Skills on the other hand are not binary, there are different possible things you can do depending on your score, and different degrees of success. Furthermore, using a skill is most of the time an individual's effort (and it's usually over in one roll) so I prefer niche protection of the PC who choose to specialize, while attacking is a group effort that requires many rounds.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DEFCON stole my words:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I also don't like very much having to calculate the DC every time you cast a spell, but OTOH this system actually <em>keeps</em> lower level offensive spells still useful!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6163713, member: 1465"] That was also possibly one of my least favourite features of 4e. I hate it with a passion when this is how skills work, that a high level PC that has never ever bothered climbing, using diplomacy or blacksmithing, is automatically better than a lower level PC that has been investing and doing it since day 1. Oddly enough, it doesn't bother me that much when applied to attack tho... A Wizard with same BAB as a Fighter... yes it does feel odd, but still the Wizard is going to have lower Strength and swing a staff, and has no special maneuvers to use, so the Fighter doesn't feel penalized and the Wizard can occasionally contribute to the fight when spells-sparing. I am not sure, but I can accept this for attacks. After all, attacking is always pretty much a yes/no check. Skills on the other hand are not binary, there are different possible things you can do depending on your score, and different degrees of success. Furthermore, using a skill is most of the time an individual's effort (and it's usually over in one roll) so I prefer niche protection of the PC who choose to specialize, while attacking is a group effort that requires many rounds. DEFCON stole my words: I also don't like very much having to calculate the DC every time you cast a spell, but OTOH this system actually [I]keeps[/I] lower level offensive spells still useful! [/QUOTE]
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