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<blockquote data-quote="Pssthpok" data-source="post: 4219195" data-attributes="member: 34725">I don't dislike that 'all 1st-level characters are already heroic', but I will miss my 'salt of the earth' games where we roll 3d6 down the line and take nothing but NPC class levels. 4E kinda 86s that idea with the 'heroic' approach to 1st level. But, I figure the following would probably suffice:&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/1.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":1:" title="One&nbsp; &nbsp; :1:" data-shortname=":1:" /> HP equal Con score (i.e. no bonus from level)&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/2.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":2:" title="Two&nbsp; &nbsp; :2:" data-shortname=":2:" /> Racial powers only (i.e. no bonus from any class level)&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/3.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":3:" title="Three&nbsp; &nbsp; :3:" data-shortname=":3:" /> Base +0 level modifier for AC, attacks, defense, etc. (i.e... you get it)&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/4.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":4:" title="Four&nbsp; &nbsp; :4:" data-shortname=":4:" /> No trained armor&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five&nbsp; &nbsp; :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> No trained skills&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six&nbsp; &nbsp; :6:" data-shortname=":6:" /> No trained weapons…pretty much because if you want more than this you don’t want a 0th level character.However much XP both you and your DM think is cool for getting to 1st level is probably fine, too, since it's such an ambiguous idea in the first place.Thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pssthpok, post: 4219195, member: 34725"] I don't dislike that 'all 1st-level characters are already heroic', but I will miss my 'salt of the earth' games where we roll 3d6 down the line and take nothing but NPC class levels. 4E kinda 86s that idea with the 'heroic' approach to 1st level. But, I figure the following would probably suffice: :1: HP equal Con score (i.e. no bonus from level) :2: Racial powers only (i.e. no bonus from any class level) :3: Base +0 level modifier for AC, attacks, defense, etc. (i.e... you get it) :4: No trained armor :5: No trained skills :6: No trained weapons …pretty much because if you want more than this you don’t want a 0th level character. However much XP both you and your DM think is cool for getting to 1st level is probably fine, too, since it's such an ambiguous idea in the first place. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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