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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Azgulor" data-source="post: 3979191" data-attributes="member: 14291">You mean to this?Bael Turath: A tiefling empire which destroyed the dragonborn empire of Arkhosia in a Pyrrhic victory which left Bael Turath itself in ruins. Its once-human nobles transformed themselves into tieflings as the consequence of terrible pacts made with infernal powers. Also called the Hell-Chained EmpireSorry, descended from humans who sold-their-souls/made infernal pacts, doesn't sound any less disturbing or ugly to me than being a product of rape.  I still view both as valid sources of PC- or NPC-backstory.  I also say that to be fine with the tiefling's origins but uncomfortable with the half-orc's is hypocrisy, especially given that the only ones forcing WotC to stick with the half-orc as a product of rape is WotC.There are numerous reasons they could have cited for ditching the half-orc.  I probably wouldn't have liked them all but I could have probably accepted them.  The reason given for dropping the half-orc in 4e is a very weak one given the inclusion of the tiefling.</blockquote>