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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Veril" data-source="post: 2773136" data-attributes="member: 33452">Sunder rules are seriously broken as is trip and grapple.  All of these are tricks that should be attempted occasionally, not used as the main-stay of combat.  The rules favour using these over normal attacks, and that's just plain wrong.  If these combat techniques were so much better than hitting someone with a club/sword, why did people hit each other with weapons for 2000+ years as the main way of attacking?Simply increase Weapon and Shield HP by a factor of five to solve the problem.  Weapons and shields are meant to be beaten on by other weapons and should be designed as such.  Ways to deal with it:  Talk to the group and tell them that you don't like the cheesy sunder tactics and ask them to stop doing it.  It's not fun.  This is a game, it's supposed to be fun for everyone.If they don't then use the following tactics:1) do not face them with anything that uses weapons that can be sundered.  Monks, monsters, undead, demons, devils, spellcasters.2) Make every single weapon the face be magical and let the 1/2 orce destroy all the treasure - peer pressure will soon start to rear it's head.3) Establish that the sunder technique is spreading like wildfire throughout the world (spread by the fame of the party).  Have people turn up who attempt to sunder the party's weapons every single melee rouond.</blockquote>