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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7962034" data-attributes="member: 6795602">One point on deadliness - it's not just about how much hp attrition you have but your opportunities to heal between it.&nbsp; For example: a one encounter day with identical hp attrition to a 8 encounter day is a lot more deadly because there's less opportunity to heal between the damage.So, I'm not actually looking to balance around hp attrition - that's just a starting point to get the discussion rolling.Let's talk long-rest and short rest classes as there's only one class that is solely at-will.&nbsp; Let's do a small thought experiment.&nbsp; Level 3 Wizard and Level 3 fighter.&nbsp; 1 Encounter day.&nbsp; Let's say it lasts 8 rounds.&nbsp; Assuming 60% chance to hit.Wizard using Magic Missile then firebolt will do:14+14+10.5+10.5+10.5+10.5+3.3+3.3 = 76.6Fighter Using Action Surge and a battlemaster damage dice will do:12+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+18 = 72That's pretty dang close.&nbsp; Much closer than you were expecting I'm sure?No one disputes that.&nbsp; But we no longer just have an at-will / daily divide.&nbsp; Short rest abilities have the same effect you just mentioned as long rest abilities.&nbsp; As demonstrated above with the fighter and wizard example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7962034, member: 6795602"] One point on deadliness - it's not just about how much hp attrition you have but your opportunities to heal between it. For example: a one encounter day with identical hp attrition to a 8 encounter day is a lot more deadly because there's less opportunity to heal between the damage. So, I'm not actually looking to balance around hp attrition - that's just a starting point to get the discussion rolling. Let's talk long-rest and short rest classes as there's only one class that is solely at-will. Let's do a small thought experiment. Level 3 Wizard and Level 3 fighter. 1 Encounter day. Let's say it lasts 8 rounds. Assuming 60% chance to hit. Wizard using Magic Missile then firebolt will do: 14+14+10.5+10.5+10.5+10.5+3.3+3.3 = 76.6 Fighter Using Action Surge and a battlemaster damage dice will do: 12+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+18 = 72 That's pretty dang close. Much closer than you were expecting I'm sure? No one disputes that. But we no longer just have an at-will / daily divide. Short rest abilities have the same effect you just mentioned as long rest abilities. As demonstrated above with the fighter and wizard example. [/QUOTE]

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