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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7962063" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Apologies - I missed that one line discussing concentration spells right after you presented the general case right before it.&nbsp; I did discuss the general case though - but if you want to talk specifically concentration spells I'm game.Not fair in quoting yourself in a subsequent post when you've not given someone else a chance to respond to that post yet.You must take a wizard relative to a fighter in a 6 encounter day and compare that with a wizard relative to a fighter in a single encounter day.&nbsp; You seem to be saying a wizard does more per round in a single encounter day than a wizard in a 6 encounter day - which while true isn't a useful point by itself.Instead you should be considering the impact the wizard is having on the single encounter day and compare that with the impact the wizard is having on the 6 encounter day.&nbsp; Impact is not measured by looking at their actions alone but also at what heir allies and their opponents are able to do.&nbsp; So the question is: how do we measure impact.&nbsp; So far you've disagreed with any method I've suggested - but while not perfect I'm finding my measurement methods for impact far superior to your ideas around it.I think that's really where we need to begin.&nbsp; How should we be measuring impact.&nbsp; As a simple example: consider the impact of doing 10 DPR against an enemy with 100 hp.&nbsp; Now consider the relative impact of doing 20 DPR against an enemy with 200 hp.&nbsp; I would say both characters have the same impact on the fight at hand.&nbsp; However, throw in an ally that does 500 DPR in the first fight and one that does 20 DPR in the second fight.&nbsp; I would now say the first Character has less impact than the 2nd.&nbsp; So then impact IMO is a function related to your own actions, ally actions and enemy actions.&nbsp; Any measure that isn't accounting or comparing for all 3 will be fatally flawed.So how do you propose we measure impact?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7962063, member: 6795602"] Apologies - I missed that one line discussing concentration spells right after you presented the general case right before it. I did discuss the general case though - but if you want to talk specifically concentration spells I'm game. Not fair in quoting yourself in a subsequent post when you've not given someone else a chance to respond to that post yet. You must take a wizard relative to a fighter in a 6 encounter day and compare that with a wizard relative to a fighter in a single encounter day. You seem to be saying a wizard does more per round in a single encounter day than a wizard in a 6 encounter day - which while true isn't a useful point by itself. Instead you should be considering the impact the wizard is having on the single encounter day and compare that with the impact the wizard is having on the 6 encounter day. Impact is not measured by looking at their actions alone but also at what heir allies and their opponents are able to do. So the question is: how do we measure impact. So far you've disagreed with any method I've suggested - but while not perfect I'm finding my measurement methods for impact far superior to your ideas around it. I think that's really where we need to begin. How should we be measuring impact. As a simple example: consider the impact of doing 10 DPR against an enemy with 100 hp. Now consider the relative impact of doing 20 DPR against an enemy with 200 hp. I would say both characters have the same impact on the fight at hand. However, throw in an ally that does 500 DPR in the first fight and one that does 20 DPR in the second fight. I would now say the first Character has less impact than the 2nd. So then impact IMO is a function related to your own actions, ally actions and enemy actions. Any measure that isn't accounting or comparing for all 3 will be fatally flawed. So how do you propose we measure impact? [/QUOTE]

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