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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1918355" data-attributes="member: 5890">I think that the reason the golem's CR (and, in fact, all golem's CRs) is so low is the fact that it's crap.It's an easy challenge.It doesn't matter what it's hitpoints are, or what it's melee attacks can do - a player with a brain is expected to NOT go toe-to-toe with it.Full stop.I mean - if you really think that your golem is too hard for it's CR when advanced, take a peek at the colossal scorpion, or the advanced stone golem, or the tarrasque.Monsters with no ranged abilities and no capability for flight get very little in the way of CR, and with good reason. They're cakewalks.As for "you must kill the monster to get the XP" - that's just plain crazy talk. It was stupid in 2nd ed, and it's stupid now.Finally - note that if you give the critter class levels, you're supposed to give it equipment too. I'd say even giving the thing a bow should increase it's CR by a big margin.</blockquote>