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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2110667" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>CR is nothing close to the same as ECL/LA. A race could have the innate ability of Analyze Dweomer at will, or a racial +20 bonus on Diplomacy and Balance and all Craft checks, and it wouldn't affect their Challenge Rating in the least. Because it's no harder to beat such a creature than one without those benefits, yet the creature with those innate qualities is certainly more useful as a Player Character than as an opponent. Ignore Challange Rating calculations when determining the usefulness of a PC race.</p><p></p><p>+2 to an ability score is far from being worth +1 LA. Do Ogre Magi have a +15 LA due to their many high ability scores? Hell no. Because each +2 to an ability score is far from being worth a +1 LA by itself. Ogre Magi only have a few points of LA alongside their racial hit dice, and they're big critters with magic powers to boot. Don't make the foolish assumption that +2 Str or something is even close to +1 LA by itself. That's what gets you stupid races like the core-rules half-orc. And besides, the DMG tells us straight up that some ability scores are more useful than others.</p><p></p><p>I'd suggest you combine Turanil's suggestions for the human and add that the character gets +2 on checks with their two(?) chosen skills. So +2 to any ability score, two skills that are easy for them to learn and use, and +1 on all saving throws. Maybe make it +2 on all saving throws, even. Consider that with a class level, you'd get a few skill ranks, around half a dozen or more hit points usually, often one or more save bonuses, usually a base attack increase, and sometimes a feat or class ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 2110667, member: 13966"] CR is nothing close to the same as ECL/LA. A race could have the innate ability of Analyze Dweomer at will, or a racial +20 bonus on Diplomacy and Balance and all Craft checks, and it wouldn't affect their Challenge Rating in the least. Because it's no harder to beat such a creature than one without those benefits, yet the creature with those innate qualities is certainly more useful as a Player Character than as an opponent. Ignore Challange Rating calculations when determining the usefulness of a PC race. +2 to an ability score is far from being worth +1 LA. Do Ogre Magi have a +15 LA due to their many high ability scores? Hell no. Because each +2 to an ability score is far from being worth a +1 LA by itself. Ogre Magi only have a few points of LA alongside their racial hit dice, and they're big critters with magic powers to boot. Don't make the foolish assumption that +2 Str or something is even close to +1 LA by itself. That's what gets you stupid races like the core-rules half-orc. And besides, the DMG tells us straight up that some ability scores are more useful than others. I'd suggest you combine Turanil's suggestions for the human and add that the character gets +2 on checks with their two(?) chosen skills. So +2 to any ability score, two skills that are easy for them to learn and use, and +1 on all saving throws. Maybe make it +2 on all saving throws, even. Consider that with a class level, you'd get a few skill ranks, around half a dozen or more hit points usually, often one or more save bonuses, usually a base attack increase, and sometimes a feat or class ability. [/QUOTE]
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