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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5061957" data-attributes="member: 65152">So are you saying that a STR/WIS Cleric - MC STR/WIS Ranger is no better than a CHA/WIS Paladin - MC INT/DEX Wizard?How about a straight class Cleric that would also benefit from this by being able to take a little CHA and use both the STR and WIS powers equally effectively?My point in this is mostly that WotC screwed the pooch on attack/defense scaling across 30 levels and it's not really that hard to accomplish.&nbsp; Let us compare the difference between a -1 to hit and a -1 on damage:Assumptions:50% base hit rate (11+)2d6 + 3 damage attack (average of 10)Statistical:&nbsp; .5 * 8.5 = 4.25-1 to hit becomes: 45% hit rate (12+)2d6 + 3 damage attack (average of 10)Statistical:&nbsp; .45 * 10 = 4.5-1 to damage becomes:50% hit rate (11+)2d6 + 2 damage attack (average of 9)Statistical: .5 * 9 = 4.5I specifically chose the break even point to show that bonuses to hit are (generally speaking) more important than more damage past a threshold of 10.&nbsp; Much beyond 2nd to 3rd level getting to this threshold is crazy simple and damage will only continue to go up as this only looks at at-will powers doing 1[W].&nbsp; Being able to have a couple of 16's and 14's in main stats and secondary stats greatly reduces MAD and allows multi combos that otherwise would frankly not be viable.&nbsp; What this proves is that 1-2 points of damage across 30 levels (per swing) is statistically less important than 1-2 points of bonus to hit.&nbsp; Multi class in 4e has enough problems with needing multiple sets of feats, possibly 2 different weapon(s)/implement(s) to fuel both sets of powers and depending on the classes you want to mix two different prime stats and possibly several secondaries, not to mention the feat tax to pick up powers from your &quot;second&quot; class.&nbsp; MC has enough penalties without adding this one on top of the mix.&nbsp; Not to mention that this encourages building your PC based on FLAVOR vs. min/max.&nbsp; Which do you prefer?&nbsp; But hey....you probably prefer 18/14/11/10/10/8 or 16/16/13/11/10/8 as the usual optimal array.&nbsp; This option makes 14/14/14/14/12/8 playable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 5061957, member: 65152"] So are you saying that a STR/WIS Cleric - MC STR/WIS Ranger is no better than a CHA/WIS Paladin - MC INT/DEX Wizard? How about a straight class Cleric that would also benefit from this by being able to take a little CHA and use both the STR and WIS powers equally effectively? My point in this is mostly that WotC screwed the pooch on attack/defense scaling across 30 levels and it's not really that hard to accomplish. Let us compare the difference between a -1 to hit and a -1 on damage: Assumptions: 50% base hit rate (11+) 2d6 + 3 damage attack (average of 10) Statistical: .5 * 8.5 = 4.25 -1 to hit becomes: 45% hit rate (12+) 2d6 + 3 damage attack (average of 10) Statistical: .45 * 10 = 4.5 -1 to damage becomes: 50% hit rate (11+) 2d6 + 2 damage attack (average of 9) Statistical: .5 * 9 = 4.5 I specifically chose the break even point to show that bonuses to hit are (generally speaking) more important than more damage past a threshold of 10. Much beyond 2nd to 3rd level getting to this threshold is crazy simple and damage will only continue to go up as this only looks at at-will powers doing 1[W]. Being able to have a couple of 16's and 14's in main stats and secondary stats greatly reduces MAD and allows multi combos that otherwise would frankly not be viable. What this proves is that 1-2 points of damage across 30 levels (per swing) is statistically less important than 1-2 points of bonus to hit. Multi class in 4e has enough problems with needing multiple sets of feats, possibly 2 different weapon(s)/implement(s) to fuel both sets of powers and depending on the classes you want to mix two different prime stats and possibly several secondaries, not to mention the feat tax to pick up powers from your "second" class. MC has enough penalties without adding this one on top of the mix. Not to mention that this encourages building your PC based on FLAVOR vs. min/max. Which do you prefer? But hey....you probably prefer 18/14/11/10/10/8 or 16/16/13/11/10/8 as the usual optimal array. This option makes 14/14/14/14/12/8 playable. [/QUOTE]

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